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Krash 27 April 2025 02:21 AM

Nfl 2025
 
Boo Hiss.

Giants just drafted the running back I wanted the Eagles to get. Cam Skattebo. I was thinking him and Barkley would be a great RB duo.

But now we have to play him twice a year instead.


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SDGT3 27 April 2025 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Boothroyd (Post 13614758)
Agree with above. Teams don't want another Johnny Manziel or Ryan Leaf. Physical attributes are not the only necessary parts to being a successful NFL starting QB.

I think teams are making individual decisions on Sanders fit to their organization, not that there is some vast NFL conspiracy by owners not to draft him.

I'm a firm believer that the QB position has to be a leader of men. Every single person has to have faith in you and follow you into a storm and believe you'll walk out fine. Besides the physical and mental part of being a NFL level QB, you have to have these intangibles to lead a franchise. This is not CU but now multi billion dollar businesses. These players have families that depend on them. Not one single franchise needs a knucklehead at the helm.

Chiboy 27 April 2025 03:30 AM

I agree with the comparison of drafting Sanders with signing Rodgers. In the same way that signing Rodgers means catering to his every whim and giant ego, drafting Sanders means having Deion tweeting over your shoulder about how you should best use and develop Shadeur. It’s a package deal.

As a Bears fan who has admittedly been owned by the Packers for a long time, I did get some vicarious pleasure seeing the way Rodgers tarnished his legacy with his antics in NY. But I wish Shedeur well.

GB-man 27 April 2025 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Maleg (Post 13614300)
He's muslim, born of muslim parents, and given a muslim name. In arabic the name means "to struggle".

While some Americans have a singular and uneducated view of the word, most muslims find it to be a word that describes inner struggles (the struggle with sin and temptation). It wouldn't be a hateful intent to name a child jihad.

I worked in east africa and the middle east for 30 years and never once met anyone who shared your definition of jihad. Americans are right to hate what happened on 911, but conflating that evil with a family naming their kid isn't appropriate.


I understand that entire angle and still agree to disagree. It’s not a common name for a Muslim man living in any western country and for good reason.

I would be shocked if any team with a top 10 QB would want sanders on the bench. That’s a sideshow nobody wants. Steelers should take him if he slides more. Maybe the browns will here.

GB-man 27 April 2025 04:19 AM

There it is. Cleveland took him.

huncho 27 April 2025 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man (Post 13614847)
There it is. Cleveland took him.

most hilarious outcome tbh. it's like getting exiled

Krash 27 April 2025 04:23 AM

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There were rumors coming out of Philadelphia all day that they wanted Sanders with one of their 5th round picks (they have 3). The Eagles don’t have an established backup QB.

It turns out Cleveland trades up right in front of Philly who had the 145th pick, and then they draft Sanders with the 144th pick.

Go figure.

But why did Cleveland draft Dillion Gabriel last night? Makes no sense.


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AzPaul 27 April 2025 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Krash (Post 13614849)
But why did Cleveland draft Dillion Gabriel last night? Makes no sense.

Trying to apply reason and logic to the Browns is an endless loop.
Best to let it go.

Schmed 27 April 2025 04:33 AM

Glad to finally see Shedeur get drafted.

On one hand, he's got a huge ego, overconfident, and brings a lot of baggage with Deion running his life. But.... he's still a kid and seeing him getting picked so low.... it's got to be a kick to the gut.

Krash 27 April 2025 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AzPaul (Post 13614852)
Trying to apply reason and logic to the Browns is an endless loop.
Best to let it go.


Yeah, exactly.

But it looks like Cleveland wanted him, and they thought the Eagles might draft him. Otherwise, why trade up for him at that spot.


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huncho 27 April 2025 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmed (Post 13614853)
Glad to finally see Shedeur get drafted.

On one hand, he's got a huge ego, overconfident, and brings a lot of baggage with Deion running his life. But.... he's still a kid and seeing him getting picked so low.... it's got to be a kick to the gut.

yeah i think ego aside and everything, the league did him dirty here. i get it when good franchises don't want anything to do with that drama but there's a ton of teams that are complete shit shows and do almost everything wrong that are somehow drawing the line here lol. the browns passing on him 6? times just to trade up and pick him after picking a qb says it all

Schmed 27 April 2025 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by huncho (Post 13614869)
yeah i think ego aside and everything, the league did him dirty here. i get it when good franchises don't want anything to do with that drama but there's a ton of teams that are complete shit shows and do almost everything wrong that are somehow drawing the line here lol

I've been in that boat: a chance to hire a guy who'd have been a great employee. Very high performer, but an a-hole. Turns out... I don't want to work with an a-hole, so I didn't hire him. Could be that simple.

GB-man 27 April 2025 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by huncho (Post 13614848)
most hilarious outcome tbh. it's like getting exiled


It really is. Caleb Williams - I’ll decide where I want to play and am seeking ownership of the team. On the bears.

Shadeur -we will decide where shadeur plays. He’s a top 5 pick. Browns in the 5th lol

Krash 27 April 2025 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmed (Post 13614882)
I've been in that boat: a chance to hire a guy who'd have been a great employee. Very high performer, but an a-hole. Turns out... I don't want to work with an a-hole, so I didn't hire him. Could be that simple.


Yeah, me too. I got to a point where I wanted above average employees with positive attitudes that were a pleasure to work with. I didn’t want any super elite employees that were a-holes.

But in Shadeur’s case, the jury is still out if he’s any better than a #2 or #3 QB on the roster. So he better not act like an entitled prima Donna, because NFL stands for Not For Long.


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AzPaul 27 April 2025 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man (Post 13614894)
It really is. Caleb Williams - I’ll decide where I want to play and am seeking ownership of the team. On the bears.

Shadeur -we will decide where shadeur plays. He’s a top 5 pick. Browns in the 5th lol

He wasn't even a top 5 pick on the Browns :chuckle:

Boothroyd 27 April 2025 06:05 AM

Far be it from me to defend the Browns of all franchises, but they need a QB, they drafted one early, Sanders still there for a cheap salary, why not? Watson is out injured and done, and you can move Flacco. A moribund franchise that needs something. I see why they did it. Let them compete for a starting spot.

huncho 27 April 2025 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Boothroyd (Post 13614965)
Far be it from me to defend the Browns of all franchises, but they need a QB, they drafted one early, Sanders still there for a cheap salary, why not? Watson is out injured and done, and you can move Flacco. A moribund franchise that needs something. I see why they did it. Let them compete for a starting spot.

they have 5 qbs (they still have Pickett) so it's just weird to take him after passing on him for 5 rounds since that kinda feels like a clear message that they don't want him. i just think it's funny that they were part of all the teams trying to say they didn't want his drama there while now having to figure out the most ridiculous qb room. feel bad for the fans lol

even if they just had 2, does having qbs compete for a spot ever work out? i think it generally just stunts development no?

Krash 27 April 2025 06:28 AM

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I mean, if you’re a hot shot college QB going into draft, aren’t the Browns the last team you want to be drafted by?

Also, the Browns actually drafted a great QB who is playing in the NFL. He threw for 4,500 yards and 41 TDs in 2024. The only problem is that he’s playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers now.


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Krash 27 April 2025 07:07 AM

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By the way, all those rumors about the Eagles wanting Sanders in the 5th round might not be so far fetched.

The Eagles did draft a QB. Kyle McCord, from Syracuse.

So, maybe where there was smoke, there was fire. And that could be why Cleveland traded into one spot above Philly in the 5th round. No doubt Cleveland was aware of all the chatter.


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GB-man 27 April 2025 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Krash (Post 13615012)
By the way, all those rumors about the Eagles wanting Sanders in the 5th round might not be so far fetched.

The Eagles did draft a QB. Kyle McCord, from Syracuse.

So, maybe where there was smoke, there was fire. And that could be why Cleveland traded into one spot above Philly in the 5th round. No doubt Cleveland was aware of all the chatter.


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My only question is but why. Why would you draft a media hungry football royalty guy under Jalen who just proved exactly who he is. This would be like what Green Bay did to Rodger’s except many years sooner.

Of course he’s not taking his job but an unneeded distraction when you’re looking to go back to back.

I wouldn’t want this guy in buffalo if they gave us a third to take him.

It’s possible Philly is the only city that believes they could win the Super Bowl with their backup QB…because they’ve already done it.

Krash 27 April 2025 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man (Post 13615117)
My only question is but why. Why would you draft a media hungry football royalty guy under Jalen who just proved exactly who he is. This would be like what Green Bay did to Rodger’s except many years sooner.

Of course he’s not taking his job but an unneeded distraction when you’re looking to go back to back.

I wouldn’t want this guy in buffalo if they gave us a third to take him.

It’s possible Philly is the only city that believes they could win the Super Bowl with their backup QB…because they’ve already done it.


I don’t know. I’ve been reading all sorts of conspiracy theories on NFL Internet forums all day.

But Adam Schefter was talking about this on the NFL Network.

1) The Eagles need a backup QB. And Sanders could have been #1 on their list, but they didn’t want to take him higher than the 5th round. The Eagles are one organization that could sit on him and get him under control. There is no doubt that Siriani, Howie and the Eagles could neuter him to the point where he just shuts up and acts like a backup QB.

Coincidentally, the Browns traded up to 144 to draft Sanders. The Eagles had the 145th pick.

Why do teams trade up? It’s simple. They trade up because they’re concerned another team will draft a player they want.

The Eagles then drafted a QB shortly thereafter. Kyle McCord.

So, clearly the Browns were concerned that the Eagles might draft Sanders, and the Eagles did draft a QB.

So all of it adds up. But is it true or coincidental? I don’t know.


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GB-man 27 April 2025 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Krash (Post 13615140)
I don’t know. I’ve been reading all sorts of conspiracy theories on NFL Internet forums all day.

But Adam Schefter was talking about this on the NFL Network.

1) The Eagles need a backup QB. And Sanders could have been #1 on their list, but they didn’t want to take him higher than the 5th round. The Eagles are one organization that could sit on him and get him under control. There is no doubt that Siriani, Howie and the Eagles could neuter him to the point where he just shuts up and acts like a backup QB.

Coincidentally, the Browns traded up to 144 to draft Sanders. The Eagles had the 145th pick.

Why do teams trade up? It’s simple. They trade up because they’re concerned another team will draft a player they want.

The Eagles then drafted a QB shortly thereafter. Kyle McCord.

So, clearly the Browns were concerned that the Eagles might draft Sanders, and the Eagles did draft a QB.

So all of it adds up. But is it true or coincidental? I don’t know.


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It’s intriguing for sure and the way you lay it out makes it seem plausible. I just meant like what in the world. I personally don’t believe anyone is neutering this guy.

It would be even funnier if the eagles trolled the browns into thinking they would take him. Of course there’s no reason to do that.

Krash 27 April 2025 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GB-man (Post 13615160)
It’s intriguing for sure and the way you lay it out makes it seem plausible. I just meant like what in the world. I personally don’t believe anyone is neutering this guy.

It would be even funnier if the eagles trolled the browns into thinking they would take him. Of course there’s no reason to do that.


It’s funny you mention that. Because they are a bunch of Cowboys fans claiming that Howie Roseman and the Eagles purposely leaked information to get another team to react. And the purpose of this was to prevent the Cowboys from drafting Sanders.

Lots of Cowboy fans apparently wanted Sanders. Of course, it’s just a conspiracy theory. But it’s noteworthy. Eagles are living rent free in the minds of Cowboy fans. lol


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TheVTCGuy 27 April 2025 12:01 PM

One of the most interesting parts of the draft for me was the Sander’s status dropping. Some were predicting he would be the number two or three man taken over all. Don’t get me wrong, he is an exceptional talent, but I have HEARD he was disrespectful in interviews, (there is a story he took a Facetime call while in the interview with a head coach, look it up), that he was arrogant while meeting with team officials and other various stories. I wasn’t there, so don’t know, and you want your quarterback to be cocky, but respect is earned and he hasn’t earned a thing in the NFL yet. Think about being a head coach with him on your team. He hasn’t performed well and you replace him in the third/fourth quarter. You just know, the media is going to be hounding Deon for his reaction and comment, posting it everywhere, and the coach is going to have to answer questions on that decision the entire week. Is he really worth all that?

Boothroyd 27 April 2025 12:19 PM

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Notice the look of enthusiasm from the GM and the coach of the Browns as the Sanders selection is announced--this is the live feed that aired from their draft room. Haslam must have insisted they draft Sanders, by the looks on their faces. No high-fives in that room. Daily Mail story link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nf...NFL-Draft.html

Love the "blink twice if you need help" comment.

Krash 27 April 2025 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Boothroyd (Post 13615188)
Notice the look of enthusiasm from the GM and the coach of the Browns as the Sanders selection is announced--this is the live feed that aired from their draft room. Haslam must have insisted they draft Sanders, by the looks on their faces. No high-fives in that room. Daily Mail story link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nf...NFL-Draft.html

Love the "blink twice if you need help" comment.


I noticed that.

Also, on the first night, when the Steeelers drafted, I noticed that half the war room looked totally pssssst off after they made the final decision. Not sure anyone else noticed that.


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Maleg 29 April 2025 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy (Post 13615178)
One of the most interesting parts of the draft for me was the Sander’s status dropping. Some were predicting he would be the number two or three man taken over all. Don’t get me wrong, he is an exceptional talent, but I have HEARD he was disrespectful in interviews, (there is a story he took a Facetime call while in the interview with a head coach, look it up), that he was arrogant while meeting with team officials and other various stories. I wasn’t there, so don’t know, and you want your quarterback to be cocky, but respect is earned and he hasn’t earned a thing in the NFL yet. Think about being a head coach with him on your team. He hasn’t performed well and you replace him in the third/fourth quarter. You just know, the media is going to be hounding Deon for his reaction and comment, posting it everywhere, and the coach is going to have to answer questions on that decision the entire week. Is he really worth all that?

There were many reports about two anonymous insiders claiming he was arrogant. I've seen many interviews with the kid and he comes off as comfortable in front of media more than arrogant IMO.

Because of his dad and his presence around sports his whole life the kid has a natural ease around famous people, so I wouldn't expect him to have the groveling deference expected from most draft candidates, which may annoy a lot of front office types. But, I give zero credibility to an anonymous source in an NFL front office. If their opinion mattered they would be open to state it in the light of day.

I didn't think he was a first rounder. But, the Steelers have Mason Rudolf, Kenny Pickett (neither can play) and the hope of a has been Aaron Rogers as their options this year. I expected Sanders to go to the Steelers in round 3.

huncho 29 April 2025 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Maleg (Post 13616357)
There were many reports about two anonymous insiders claiming he was arrogant. I've seen many interviews with the kid and he comes off as comfortable in front of media more than arrogant IMO.

Because of his dad and his presence around sports his whole life the kid has a natural ease around famous people, so I wouldn't expect him to have the groveling deference expected from most draft candidates, which may annoy a lot of front office types. But, I give zero credibility to an anonymous source in an NFL front office. If their opinion mattered they would be open to state it in the light of day.

I didn't think he was a first rounder. But, the Steelers have Mason Rudolf, Kenny Pickett (neither can play) and the hope of a has been Aaron Rogers as their options this year. I expected Sanders to go to the Steelers in round 3.

Pickett is on the browns now which makes all of this that much funnier

Maleg 29 April 2025 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by huncho (Post 13616503)
Pickett is on the browns now which makes all of this that much funnier

That's right. I had forgotten. The Steelers have nobody. Even if Rogers signs there they still have nobody.

The Browns have another Haslam hire (does Sanders get a couple hundred million guaranteed though).

SDGT3 29 April 2025 06:47 AM

Cleveland: Where QBs go to die.

With 5 QBs on the roster now, will Sanders even make the team, especially since his dad isn't calling the shots anymore?

Wouldn't it have been better for him to have been undrafted so he could be an undrafted free agent and go to any team he wanted and try out?

All that said, he stands to make less in the NFL than he did in college.

The irony in all this is that college football has no salary cap where the NFL does.


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