What's with this model???
 

Bondtoys pal,

What's with this model? I have checked through the list of sub's history and couldn't find this model.... "16610LV Big Crown"???!!! :thinking: :lol:

Only ever issued in the German market. very rare.:chuckle:

Flat 4's are rare. But there is a difference between flat 4's. There is a MK1 Flat 4 lime green insert and then there is a MK3 flat 4 dark green insert.

The MK1 inserts will always command a higher priemium over the mk3's and mk1's and mk3's will always be worth more than mk2's 4's 5's 6's and 7's all with pointed 4's..

Less flat fours and much more pointed fours at the end of the day.

:cheers:

As has been said if they are 'random' they are not 'serial'.

I would agree with SubKing on this. The lime green Flat 4 are the rarest of all the 16610LV's inserts, followed by the "normal (dark) green" Flat 4 insert. Find either one of these, make sure you hold on tight to it! :thumbsup:

What other "rare" models do we have up there in Germany? :chuckle:
Show us what you've got pals... :smokin:

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/...psivekzmsu.jpg

what is this dial i have?

:thinking:a fake one?

Think you are right, Subking...
 

Doesn't look good to me too... :thinking: :comeandge

If the dial checked out right, it would have been the MKVI dial.

Sorry it's not looking to good!!

Got to laugh at all these LV rare dials or any other so called rare modern day Rolex.

The Mk1 LVs seem to be selling for a premium and people are buying. Some collectors have an interest in the first year addition anniversary sub only.

As for the rest that are not considered mk1, they sell at the going rate as far as anniversary subs go but still hold their value better than any modern sub. It's an important model and in the years to come, I see the prices only going up. May take years, but I see the LV being like a red sub collectible one day.:cheers:

Dream on IMHO but myself will not be around in that time frame, yes they are selling but only to those willing to pay these premium prices.Giving the choice between a LV,or a Red Sub/ SD in my collection whether its got flat 4, round, oblong, fonts,or Mk1,2.3.4.5 dials I know what my choice would be and it would not be a LV.

:agree: produced by the bucket load peter. :chuckle:

padi!!:chuckle: :comeandge:

I still feel just like MK dials and inserts matter on anything vintage, i.e. 1680, 5508 etc.. font styles and first generation early examples will always be relevant in the collector world. Maybe Not by all, but by some that are purists at heart. It's definitely early to consider the LV vintage, early by 15 years at least, but currently, I am shocked to see Y and early F serials selling at the premiums that they are selling for. Seems like the trend has already been set on the early ones if we like it or not.:cheers:

anything discontinued will become vintage eventually. as for rarity, well, if people are prepared to pay a premium, then that will dictate things.

i am looking forward to my LV becoming vintage in a few decades when i myself also begin turning vintage lol

duncs

Sam may call me naughty again :rofl: , but 116710 dials fit into 16710 watches as well :rofl:

Here is my latest:
http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploa...ko3rdmef0u.jpg

Agree 100% with you pal...
 

Prices wise, they've been climbing steadily over the years. Whether this is just a hype or not, only God knows I guess... But yes, SubKing observed rightly that the Ys and Early Fs are commanding a premium over the last 2-3 years. :cheers:

You sure are a naughty fellow!
 

Haha... What did you this time pal?? Mixing up the dial, modding the case again?!! :lol:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

This time the modification was modest - by my standards :clap:

I only took a 116710LN dial, got rid of the green GMT MASTER II wording and made it in white and put it into a 16710.

No case modification, no added naughtiness :chuckle::chuckle:

You can say that they are not rare and of course they are not vintage yet but when generally speaking Rolex prices continue to rise and NIB regular 16610s are selling here on this forum for $ 8,000 and GMT II Pepsis not NIB for $10,000 well you can call it hype but the bottom line the value is what the market will allow.

Whether we agree that they are rare or not the fact is there are people willing to pay a premium for them and someday if they want to sell them somebody else will pay them even more than they paid to get one.

If I understand you correctly, the Red Sub is pretty desirable to you.

Wheren't the Red Subs also produced over several years, so in larger numbers?

And the Red Sub is different to standard 1680 in which detail? 0,0001ml of red ink on the dial?

Keeping this in mind,in comparison the 16610LV is massively different to a standard 16610:
Green bezel insert, larger lume plots and a wider minute hand.

So imo the 16610LV has all what is needed to become a very desirable watch in the future - just like the red Subs/SD are now :cheers:

A NIB NOS 16610 non LV for sale here for $8,350. A NIB NOS Seadweller for $8,650. Are they rare? No. Are they discontinued. Yes. Will the prices continue to rise. For sure.

i find this post very interesting and please do excuse my ignorance as im totaly clouless about rolex in general. i got all my limited knowledge here on trf and im being suck in everytime i read. anyway, in terms of rarity of LV which year is the one to get? the 2003?

Don't know if it is any more rare, just more desirable as it was the true 50th Anniversary Submariner. The Y or early Fs.

thank you gaijin! i was in nagoya otsu kanon last month with wife and i was very excited because of how strong the dollar to a yen this year, however the price aint much difference when it comes to buying luxury goods. i thought i can get the early F serial 16610lv to a better deal, not really.

You are welcome George.

Yep. 123.5 Yen to the Dollar today.

I agree with Gaijin here his observation :smokin:

He separated nicely between rarity, desirability and market demand and hence the price..

Subtle form of naughtiness??!! :rofl:

Just curious, why a 116710LN dial on a 16710? The over-printing of the green GMT Master II word? :lol:

Only one reason:

Maxidial!!
Larger lume plots than the standard 16710 dial! :thumbsup:

16610LV Flat4 question ??
 

Hi guys,

After saw these 2 pics posted on the website by the owner who claimed this is original sub 50th Y9 Serie flat4 bezel. But I wonder it isn't Mark I dial as it should. Is this possible for Rolex to put this dial on Y9 Serie?

Anyone please enlighten me.

Appreciated for your answers.

http://i.imgur.com/qMcb4gh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MI54plo.jpg

This looks like a true Mark I dial to me. Its possible on Y serial, perhaps the transition months; Rolex don't confirm exact year of production.

Neat! 😊

16610LV Flat4 question ??
 

Hi,
Yes, Y serials 16610LV with MKII dials have been spotted on a few pieces. I've personally held one before with the MK II dial.

Though it's in the desirable Y serial range, the MKII is seen as somewhat "less" desirable compared to the MKI dial.

Just my 2-cents view ;-)

16610LV Flat4 Y Serie ...question
 

Hi guys,

I saw some pics of 16610LV Y Serie posted by the owner who claimed this is all original from Rolex factory. But I wonder it isn't Mark I dial as it should. Is this possible for Rolex put non Mark I dial on Y9 Serie?

Anyone please enlighten me.

Appreciated for your answers.

tt

I passed on the opportunity to pick up a 16610lv Sub on a number of occasions through the years, as the insert just did not do it for me. Increasingly though I am being drawn more towards one......some very nice ones showing on this thread!

It is possible to have a MK II dial on a Y-serial..
 

though this will greatly reduce the desirability of the Y-serial. I have personally seen one and on record 4 of them in all.

Hope this helps. :smokin:

Sam

Interesting thread, I've owned my LV for 4 years now and until I read this I was unaware of all the different variations. After reading this and a little googling it would appear I have a MK VI dial (I think)

Hey all! Nice thread! :cheers: Is this a MK VI dial guys?