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Tools 7 July 2008 09:24 AM

The GMT-Master 16700.....A Forgotten Reference
 
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When Pan-Am first commissioned Rolex to develop a two timezone watch for the new Boeing 707 jets in 1956 , their concern was to keep the pilots reference to home time intact, while still allowing them to track the different time zones they travelled through. It was felt that keeping a home-time reference would alleviate jet-lag as the pilots could still keep their circadian routine. This also gave Jet Navigators an in-cockpit GMT time reference necessary for Celestial Navigation of the era.

Their efforts resulted in the GMT-Master ref. 6542. The GMT stood for Greenwich Mean Time, which was the world standard for a unified or universal time clock.

It's use in practice was initially envisioned as having the watch set for local time, and the bezel was rotated to the new timezone... Local was read at the dial and the timezone you were presently in would be displayed in 24hr time on the bezel....simple. When you got back home the bezel triangle should be back at the 12 o'clock position.

The New GMT and it's line soon became the "standard" and a pilots must-have time-piece. NASA test pilots were given GMT-Masters during development of the record breaking X-series jet aircraft, and they were the personal time-piece of many American astronauts.

The ref 16700 that was produced from about 1988 until 1999 was the last of those watches with synchronized 24hr and 12 hour hands, but with the upgraded sapphire crystal, hacking seconds, and quick-set date.

Specifications
Model: .........................GMT-Master
Reference Number: ........16700
Production Years: ..........1988-1999
Movement: ...................Caliber 3175
Power Reserve: .............48 Hours
Water Resistance: .........100m
Bezel:.......................... Bidirectional
Crown: ........................Screwdown Twinlock
Crystal:....................... Sapphire
Diameter: ....................40mm
Thickness: ...................N/A
Weight: .......................123 grams
Bracelet: .....................Steel, Oyster or Jubilee
Lug Width: ..................20mm
Watchwinder Direction: ..Both


From my personal collection, a 1997 T series GMT 16700:
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One of the last of the tritium dials:
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Lug holes case....a treat for the eyes:
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There are no numbers here....this is one of the originals: :thumbsup:
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The GMT 16700 came equipped with the 28,800bph ca 3175 movement:
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This movement features a full balance bridge for stability and accuracy, one of Rolex trademarks.. You can see the KIF shock spring at the balance pivot jewel:
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A 24 hour hand that travels around the dial exactly one half the speed of the main hour hand:
The bezel is turned to the number of hours you are from local time to track any other time-zone in 24hr time, provided you have set your watch to local.

Here is an excerpt from the GMT 16700 Owners Manual:
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While flying and controlling in Alaska I would set the bezel at -8 hrs to keep track of GMT time, a useful reference for pilots.
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One unusual aspect of the 16700 - It was offered with the 93150 Sub Style bracelet (perhaps to fit over a flight suit?), a popular option which I preferred at the time:
This one still has the original 93150/501B bracelet - V9, Sept 1996 clasp code...Purchased in early 1997:
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This was the last of it's kind, almost ignored because of the new 16710 and only a few of them were made:
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glocati 17 July 2008 07:33 AM

Great write up and pics, Larry. I love my 16700 !

karmatp 17 July 2008 07:35 AM

Great post Larry, thanks. :dude:

Duc-904 17 July 2008 07:42 AM

Good stuff Larry! I recently picked up up one of these gems and can't keep it off my wrist!

jdc 17 July 2008 07:46 AM

Great write up and pictures, thanks :thumbsup: :cheers:

mike 17 July 2008 07:46 AM

Excellent review Larry.:thumbsup: The 16700 holds a special place in the heritage of the GMT....one that collectors are starting to take notice of.:thumbsup:

Stunning example.:clap::clap::clap:

redshirt1957 17 July 2008 07:52 AM

I know what you mean.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/16700002.jpg

glocati 17 July 2008 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc-904 (Post 672638)
Good stuff Larry! I recently picked up up one of these gems and can't keep it off my wrist!

Glad to see another 16700 wearer in Portland !

seantk 17 July 2008 07:56 AM

Good write up and history

Sean

Duc-904 17 July 2008 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by glocati (Post 672660)
Glad to see another 16700 wearer in Portland !

Likewise! :cheers:

ROA 17 July 2008 09:54 AM

very well put!!! :clap:

pwrslider 17 July 2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by seantk (Post 672665)
Good write up and history

Sean

Very cool stuff!!!:thumbsup:

Lol-x 17 July 2008 10:56 AM

Very interesting Larry, thanks for sharing those great photos and the story :thumbsup:

I really like the movement photos :cheers:

Tools 17 July 2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by I_WANT_YOU (Post 672931)
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Rolex attempt to send watches into space that later couldn't hack it somehow. Wasn't it an Omega that ultimately became the official watch.

A story I take ZERO pleasure in relaying, since we all know Omega is a Rolex cover band.

Well...That's not exactly the case..

NASA bought several different brands, including Rolex, back in the early 60's, and put them through a series of torture tests. The winner of these tests, and the "official" watch to be used for space walks was the Omega Speedmaster.

Astronauts can use practically any other watch they want while in space, except for official outside-the-shuttle walks, and many of them do wear a Rolex..

jm433 17 July 2008 11:06 AM

One thing I've often wondered about is why the two-colored bezels? I'm assuming the idea was to separate day from night at a glance, but never thought this made much sense. Daylight doesn't necessarily correspond to 6 am to 6pm and the use of military-time hour indicators on the bezel already indicates a.m. versus p.m. at a glance.

Was the two-colored bezel just for decoration? You've shown your black bezel model and I don't think you lose any functionality with that....:thumbsup:

Tools 17 July 2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jm433 (Post 672969)
One thing I've often wondered about is why the two-colored bezels? I'm assuming the idea was to separate day from night at a glance, but never thought this made much sense. Daylight doesn't necessarily correspond to 6 am to 6pm and the use of military-time hour indicators on the bezel already indicates a.m. versus p.m. at a glance.

Was the two-colored bezel just for decoration? You've shown your black bezel model and I don't think you lose any functionality with that....:thumbsup:

This has been the topic of conversation...some of it heated, over the years..

The original ref 6542, which had a very short life was navy over red. Keeping in mind that this was a pilots watch, the design is similar to an artificial horizon instrument, probably the main instrument used by pilots.

The color quickly became the familiar "pepsi" dial within a few years. Now, at the time Pan-American colors were bright blue and silver or white, depending on if you were looking at the airplane or the uniform, and red/white/blue was uniquely American, so blue over red seems a natural..

It does provide a quick reference when looking at it as the 6 am to 6pm area is generally daylight and it is red, whereas, the 6 pm to 6 am time is evening/dark and the bezel is black/blue in this area. (another theory for the colors)

The functionality of the black bezel is the same, but I do notice a difference in "hunting" for the 24 hour hand without the two colors..

jm433 17 July 2008 11:50 AM

Interesting that the first reference model was black over red. I had always assumed that the pepsi bezel was the first. I guess its just the most iconic.

jm433 17 July 2008 11:56 AM

After having had my GMT 16710 for a few months, I think I might give up the independent hour hand for the quickset date of the 16700. It's kind of a pain to set the date without the quickset feature. And I have been wearing mine with the hour hand and 24-hr hand synchronized anyway. I rotate the bezel for the second time zone.

Leighton 17 July 2008 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jm433 (Post 673016)
After having had my GMT 16710 for a few months, I think I might give up the independent hour hand for the quickset date of the 16700. It's kind of a pain to set the date without the quickset feature. And I have been wearing mine with the hour hand and 24-hr hand synchronized anyway. I rotate the bezel for the second time zone.

I can see your point, but for me with the international travel I do, nothing is cooler than pulling the crown out to position 2 and turning it to your destination time zone while the watch continues to tick on! :cheers:

Z-Sub 17 July 2008 01:46 PM

Excellent Review.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

what3ver 17 July 2008 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_WANT_YOU (Post 672931)
since we all know Omega is a Rolex cover band.

Ouch. I wouldn't say that, considering Omega has existed almost twice as long as Rolex for one. I actually own more Omega's than Rolex's, and I assure the price difference has nothing to do with it.

DSJ 18 July 2008 01:19 AM

Great review. I hope to have a GMT Master (or II) some day.

jtrader 18 July 2008 01:34 AM

I love the look of the GMT with the all black bezel. In fact if I would have bought mine with an all black bezel if I could have. But my only option at the time was the Coke with the new 3186 or a pepsi with the 3185. So I decided to go with the 3186.

Does anyone know how I might get my hands on a black bezel. I understand that there prob no longer being made since Rolex came out with the new ceramic bezel's.... Is this something that I would half to send in threw my AD to have done, or would I be able to find an AD that would order one for me?

Any advise would be great as I am wanting to expand my options with this timepeice!!

Dan Pierce 18 July 2008 01:49 AM

Great read, Larry.:clap::thumbsup: I'd love to own a 16700 someday. Very interesting about the [Sub] bracelet used for a while.:thinking:
Thanks for sharing.:cheers:
dP

redshirt1957 18 July 2008 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Pierce (Post 673595)
Great read, Larry.:clap::thumbsup: I'd love to own a 16700 someday. Very interesting about the [Sub] bracelet used for a while.:thinking:
Thanks for sharing.:cheers:
dP


Yep, I was lucky to get one with the original Sub bracelet. Makes it kind of unique.:cheers:

Dan Pierce 18 July 2008 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by redshirt1957 (Post 673599)
Yep, I was lucky to get one with the original Sub bracelet. Makes it kind of unique.:cheers:

Very cool, Joe!:clap::cheers::thumbsup:
dP

FrankinCA 18 July 2008 02:27 AM

Thank you for sharing that.
 
I like reading this historical information about how the watch came about.

best,

Frank

lordcon 18 July 2008 02:59 AM

I find it interesting that the Rolex instruction manual refers to the watch as a "GMT Master I" as opposed to just "GMT Master". The "I" implies that there is a "II"? somewhere amist?

etp095 8 October 2008 07:28 AM

great looking watches,you guys have there.

JimC 26 October 2008 12:56 PM

Excellent review and photos! I've been searching for a GMT (not sure which one) and this thread provided me with a wealth of information. Really useful to see how it works, plus the explanation right from the manual. Wasn't sure of the differences between the GMT I and II; this review and the comments said it all.

Thanks!


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