32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

After +58 hour measurements where watch failed to read on 3U and 9U, I immediately fully wound watch and started wearing. Put on timeographer 10 minutes later in DU and readings were very wild -300 to -900 s/d, amplitude all over the place.

Very surprising, I have never heard of such behaviour.

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Watch was wound fully after 58 hr test but was demonstrating extremely low amplitude and rate even in DU position. Worn during day today was losing 15-20 s/hour. Clearly letting it run down to near 60 hours magnified the issue.

Why should a movement deteriorate drastically after running to about 83% (58/70) of its power reserve?

[GradeV]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

After +58 hour measurements where watch failed to read on 3U and 9U, I immediately fully wound watch and started wearing. Put on timeographer 10 minutes later in DU and readings were very wild -300 to -900 s/d, amplitude all over the place. I wondered if maybe timeographer needed a power reset or watch needed to settle. I then went about my day.

2 hours later watch is losing 20+ seconds per HOUR on my wrist, perhaps a day or two of wear will normalize. Amazing it ran as long as it did - my experiment was only the second time the watch had sat unworn since March of 2021. I'm a 24/7 wearer.

Will post clean charts in a day or two. I hope these updates are useful for someone reading this down the line.

Originally Posted by saxo3

Very surprising, I have never heard of such behaviour.

Why should a movement deteriorate drastically after running to about 83% (58/70) of its power reserve?

Maybe a gentle interrogation of the RSC when this Submariner is being picked from service will prove helpful.

[hellobandit]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Screenshot of the setup used on the Weshi can be seen on my #5286

Yes,

I have already applied the same settings as yours on my first tests, thanks. And now, it gives a precision of the drift to the tenth. I think it is sure to increase the value of the period.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by GradeV

Maybe a gentle interrogation of the RSC when this Submariner is being picked from service will prove helpful.

Gentle (Or tough) interrogation is unlikely to work.

Rolex don't like to give out too much information.

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Very surprising, I have never heard of such behaviour.

Why should a movement deteriorate drastically after running to about 83% (58/70) of its power reserve?

It is extraordinarily strange! I assume something substantial may be broken or damaged? The watch has only left my wrist >60 minutes twice in its history. Once for a previous warranty issue (small speck of dirt on date wheel) and second for this test. I guess actually a third time since I stopped wearing it after yesterday's work ended.

For science's sake, I just tossed it on the 1900 and let it sit for 10 minutes. It is about +24 hours from when I put it down yesterday in drawer. Current DU reading is better but still far off my +24 test reading. -21 to -28 s/d, Amp 162, BE 4.9.

Originally Posted by GradeV

Maybe a gentle interrogation of the RSC when this Submariner is being picked from service will prove helpful.

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Gentle (Or tough) interrogation is unlikely to work.

Rolex don't like to give out too much information.

I will try :)

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

I will try :)

It didn’t work for me. They said all the info is on your receipt! 😝🤬

[Rivella]

Very interesting thread. I did not read through each one of the hundreds of messages, but get the gist of the issue.

Thus I am looking for some advice: I am looking to get a pre-owned 226659 (Yacht Master 42, white Gold, oysterflex strap), there are plenty out there for prices that are decent, typically around 25% below new retail price. It has the 3235 movement, which now makes me "suspicious".

Any idea which production years I should avoid to have issues? For instnace, a watch produced in 2023 or 2024 would still risk to have the issue discussed in this thread?

Any other tips how I could avoid finding myself with a watch that has this kind of problem?

Thanks, Chris

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Timeographer testing complete. …… Off to service it goes. Will repeat test on return.

Your 2021 Submariner (3235) is only about 3.5 years old, has been worn constantly and is now largely out of Rolex specification. The good news is that your watch is still under warranty and that you have identified the 32xx caliber issue by using your own timegrapher. Anyone with a little common sense can see how useful a timegrapher can be. Now go back to post #5313 and evaluate the extremely valuable recommendation you received there. Within a few days, you have ridiculed his advice for your watch. Don't forget to vote in the poll on this thread.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Rivella

Any idea which production years I should avoid

Hi Chris and welcome to the forum and this thread.

Basically, ALL 32xx movements have the problem.

It does not matter which version of the 32xx caliber it is and there still does not seem to be a "Fix" as even new watches are measured by some and older ones that have gone in for a service or repair come back behaving well for a short period of time before going "sick" again.

Personally, I had quite a few 32xx equipped watches ... I have sold them all on as they were just not as they should be. I only have Rolex watches with older movements now.

So , In simple terms .. I would not buy any watch with a 32xx movement.