18238: "T Swiss Made T" no lume dial?

[TomWambsgans]

I'm not on the market for this watch but it popped up in my EBay feed and something caught my eye: It appears to have no lume, and also bears the "T Swiss Made T" marking.

Can anyone explain? Were they for the Japanese market? This is just my idle curiosity. (Admittedly, I really like the look and the clean gaps.)

[Dan S]

"No lume" dials with "T" markings are a thing. Without photos, we can't say much about the specific watch you're referring to.

[interestedwatcher]

It looks like the lume markers are present - they are just almost washed out be the white of the dial and the photo.

[TomWambsgans]

Originally Posted by Dan S

"No lume" dials with "T" markings are a thing. Without photos, we can't say much about the specific watch you're referring to.

Here's an image from the Ebay item I linked. (Link to Ebay)

[interestedwatcher]

Originally Posted by TomWambsgans

Here's an image from the Ebay item I linked. (Link to Ebay)

It’s there - look at the end of the baton above the V a little lume plot. Same at the end of every baton.


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[TomWambsgans]

Originally Posted by Dan S

"No lume" dials with "T" markings are a thing. Without photos, we can't say much about the specific watch you're referring to.

Added an image. What's the backstory on the no lume dials with "T" markings? Were they only made for a certain period in history, or are they still available as service dials?

[TomWambsgans]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

It’s there - look at the end of the baton above the V a little lume plot. Same at the end of every baton.


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Yeah.

Are there gold baton dials like that that never had lume? I really like the look.


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[KY..]

Dial has very white lume that’s hard to see.
But T SWISS T or T SWISS MADE T dials exist with or without lume on the dial, but typically will have lume hands.

[TomWambsgans]

Originally Posted by KY..

Dial has very white lume that’s hard to see.
But T SWISS T or T SWISS MADE T dials exist with or without lume on the dial, but typically will have lume hands.

Thanks. Was this random, or were the lume-less T dials sold for specific time periods and/or in specific markets?


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[interestedwatcher]

Originally Posted by TomWambsgans

Thanks. Was this random, or were the lume-less T dials sold for specific time periods and/or in specific markets?


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Japan doesn’t like tritium - so some markets definitely had dials made for those type of restrictions.


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[996marty]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

It’s there - look at the end of the baton above the V a little lume plot. Same at the end of every baton.


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As mentioned it’s there

[Rafabond]

Retouching the image you can almost appreciate

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

Japan doesn’t like tritium - so some markets definitely had dials made for those type of restrictions.


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Indeed, Japan market Early Manual Wind Daytonas are lumeless ..which freaks out some less clued-up collectors ;-)

[TuRo]

The '238 was produced 1988 to 2000. I'm not an expert on DD as Miami Clay is, but I wonder if this is a 99/00 or a service dial (tritinova in stock from 00-06 on many low turnover 't' stamped service dials - the latest I had was a 16760 dial changed to t25 tritinova 3/9/06) as it looks like a tritinova to me.