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I hate to see u apply the same logic to Rothko or Mondrian… |
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Well. Don’t think you can compare high-end independent watches with a building or art. That’s not to say a watch cannot be art but any comparison will be highly flawed, eg because most valuable art are original one-off works. For the same money, I’d rather have the original painting than an offset print of that same painting, where no significant incremental manual work is required to produce it.
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We are talking postmodern art, think Warhol silk prints, Koons sculptures and such… all were limited run production of like objects… idea is the key…
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I am happy to pay for design as I value looks and comfort most. The best finishing doesn't help if I don't like the looks of a watch or if it doesn't fit well / isn't sized ok for my wrist. I could name a bunch of hot new independents where I don't like the aesthetics. That said, while I like Urwerk from a design point of view I also find them expensive for what I'd be getting.
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I can’t even name one recent independent watchmaker who made any strides in the direction of design innovation the way DeBethune, MBF and Urwerk had… they all produce boring well finished pieces… boring
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That may be the case. But these artists also produce original one-off works, which I would much rather have. Anyway, we’re digressing. Point is - pound for pound, you can get comparably priced watches with similar design ideas but better finishing, which is where the bulk of the man hours and cost are spent.
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vliberman, I would say that David Candaux, Vianney Halter, and maybe Grubal Forsey should be included in your list. |
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So while finishing and design can be equally important, I’d rather have both assuming similar price points. I believe that is where this conversation started. |
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Did anyone see the new EMC SR-71? It is just so special.
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