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MILGAUSS88 · Yesterday, 12:56 PM

Diamond dials are not really in my wheelhouse, so opinions would be appreciated.

MILGAUSS88 · Yesterday, 12:57 PM

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springer · Yesterday, 01:20 PM

Crystal? 1x magnification.

KY.. · Yesterday, 04:02 PM

Wrong diamond setting for a 1601 pie pan dial…
T SWISS T dial would normally have lume hands…

CTech · Yesterday, 05:05 PM

It definitely looks like an aftermarket dial to me, but I'd like to know more about the watch itself, as it's possible there is more wrong than just the dial and crystal/magnification cyclops.

OP, what model watch is this?

1William · Yesterday, 10:32 PM

Hard pass.

INC · Yesterday, 11:02 PM

I used to have a 16233 with an original vignette dial, but it had a nice, slightly yellow discoloration due to its age. It's hard to stay blatantly white after all this time. But mostly it was a TT, and at time I have only seen very rarely an SS model with such a dial. As far as I've observed since then, the fraudsters often stick this kind of vignettes on cheaper 16233s, but mostly on the SS 1601s, because that makes it look more expensive and rarer. And mostly, nowadays it is far easyer to counterfeit a printed dial then a painted one.

As far as I have observed, among these SS models there are very few, if any, which have the papers. And in this case, this is perhaps the only thing that can definitely prove that the dial is original and not an aftermarket one.

Yesterday, 01:20 PM	#3
springer 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,265	Crystal? 1x magnification. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

Yesterday, 04:02 PM	#4
KY.. 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2021 Real Name: Keith Location: California Watch: 60s to 90s Posts: 1,306	Wrong diamond setting for a 1601 pie pan dial… T SWISS T dial would normally have lume hands… __________________ Just an admirer/enthusiast of vintage Rolex/Heuer/Zenith/Breitling/Hamilton watches since the 80’s… ”I Do Love The Details, But I Can Choose If I Accept The Flaws…”

Yesterday, 05:05 PM	#5
CTech "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: USA Posts: 458	It definitely looks like an aftermarket dial to me, but I'd like to know more about the watch itself, as it's possible there is more wrong than just the dial and crystal/magnification cyclops. OP, what model watch is this?

Yesterday, 10:32 PM	#6
1William 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 46,891	Hard pass.

Yesterday, 11:02 PM	#7
INC 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Budapest, HU Watch: 17000B, B+W Posts: 2,238	I used to have a 16233 with an original vignette dial, but it had a nice, slightly yellow discoloration due to its age. It's hard to stay blatantly white after all this time. But mostly it was a TT, and at time I have only seen very rarely an SS model with such a dial. As far as I've observed since then, the fraudsters often stick this kind of vignettes on cheaper 16233s, but mostly on the SS 1601s, because that makes it look more expensive and rarer. And mostly, nowadays it is far easyer to counterfeit a printed dial then a painted one. As far as I have observed, among these SS models there are very few, if any, which have the papers. And in this case, this is perhaps the only thing that can definitely prove that the dial is original and not an aftermarket one.

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