32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by hellobandit

I am still too young on this forum to be able to share the image of all my measurements.

You have already made 10 posts. ....

You should try again to post a picture here of your results.

Then you can get some analasis

[hellobandit]

Exactly ;)

Here are my results.
I indicated to the machine the settings indicated by SwissSteph: Lift Angle: 53°, Period: 60s and Rate Range +-99.9s/d. I then alternated every twelve hours for the first 60 hours, then more closely up to 71 hours the DU / 6U / 9U / 3U / DD positions. The watch remained on the Weishi support in the DD position between two measurements. It stopped almost immediately after 75h15 of running.
My watch is a DateJust 126200 purchased in July 2024.

I will try to make the same beautiful curves as presented by the other people before me but I am not very good at Excel.

What do you think of these results?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by hellobandit

What do you think of these results?

A few things I observe:

(1) all rates along the complete power reserve are negative. This new 3235 is not well regulated (t = 0).

(2) the amplitudes look fine except that there is a large difference between DU and DD.

(3) the beat errors are quite high.

(4) I am astonished that you were able to measure after 65, 67, and 71 hours and that your 32xx watch ran until 75 hours.

I haven't seen such a combination (1-4) of data for any 32xx caliber.

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by bigmcmuffins

Hi all, I previously posted my 3230 movement explorer and the stats from weishi 1900 timegrapher. In the past 2 months, i noticed that the average rate has decreased by about -1 sec/d. Still within rolex spec, but different than what it was originally at time of purchase. The amplitude is still fine - well over 200 after 24 hrs. Has anyone experienced this before? Rate change (in the negative direction) after a few months of owning their watch?

Not scientific but my 3235 ran about 3 years at -1 to -1.5spd on wrist. First 6 months were near enough 0spd. Just keep an eye on it, I only noticed an issue when rate (on wrist) dropped dramatically prompting my investigation and now watch is off for repair.

Had access to some family watches this weekend including a 10 year old non-serviced 3135 (daily driver) running about -1spd on wrist. Timeographer numbers fully wound +0 were fine; amplitude was a little low for 31xx 260s dial up. Another watch (DJ 31 from ~2012) was fantastic on timeographer but had just been serviced 1 year ago.

[cascadez71]

I am having trouble finding detailed information on the "new" small movements. Have done a little googling but watchbase and watch wiki aren't particularly helpful for my questions. I did a search and obviously these being smaller, "ladies" watches, there is substantially less discussion about them.

1. Is there a large technical difference between 2230/2235 and 2232/2236? Clearly power reserve was bumped to 55 hours. Is the new 2232/2236 simply upgrades of the 'old school' small movements or major changes like going from 3130/3135 to 3230/3235?

I found this link: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=904616
Which suggests they are very similar to 2230/2235...which is a good thing in my book.

2. The real question is has anyone had similar 32xx sickness on the 2232/2236 or heard of issues?

Originally Posted by atxwatch

Is anyone aware of the 22xx movements in the OPs (that were first used in 2020) to have the same issues as the 32xx movements?

@atxwatch How did your repair go? Any issues since you originally posted about your OP?

[S.Explorer]

Not sure about Q1, but for Q2 I don't think the 22xx movements utilise the chronergy escapement found in the 32xx movements so that is a positive if you are concerned about the issues reported on the 32xx.

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by S.Explorer

Not sure about Q1, but for Q2 I don't think the 22xx movements utilise the chronergy escapement found in the 32xx movements so that is a positive if you are concerned about the issues reported on the 32xx.

Thank you. I did finally get through much of the thread and for anyone else looking for 22xx comments, post #3711/3721 are useful. I believe the only issue was reported by AtxWatch thus far.

Some interesting comments in the thread about silicon usage, seems like many lower and higher horology movements are shifting to this material. A few comments on shock-resistance as well.

On a positive note, my watch was received at RSC Dallas and a service "Confirmation" was issued within one business day. Standard RSC verbiage many are familiar with listed. I had noted amplitude but not mentioned on confirmation sheet. Watch runs slow certainly seems to be the common terminology used

Customer requests: "Watch runs slow".
Necessary works and optional works approved: "Check movement".
Due date: "Approximately 2 weeks"

Another data point for future readers. My service reference number was 315XXX_003. My reference number for "Debris on date wheel" warranty claim in Aug 2021 was 66XXX_002.

[GradeV]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Another data point for future readers. My service reference number was 315XXX_003. My reference number for "Debris on date wheel" warranty claim in Aug 2021 was 66XXX_002.

Is the implication ~249000 service requests in ~14 months (i.e. ~590 requests / day)?

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by GradeV

Is the implication ~249000 service requests in ~14 months (i.e. ~590 requests / day)?

Aug 2021 to Oct 2024 estimated 37 months runs about 6700 requests/month. But they could also be restarting the year at 100,000, 200,000, etc. We'd never know.

Just a (potentially) meaningless data point. Figured most of us in here are numbers nerds.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Figured most of us in here are numbers nerds.

Yes, but not all.

Some prominent internet warriors take every opportunity to mock any accuracy discussion and timegrapher users. They act like arsonists to dismiss any technical 32xx discussion. Anyway, poor social media souls who will not succeed. Just my opinion!

To all (new) readers: post your questions and share new data, especially from new 32xx watches, bought in 2024. It will help both, "newcomers" and technically interested people. I mainly continue in this thread to help others.

[saxo3]

I haven't seen that before: 135 (!) guests reading this thread at the same time.

[t_serban]

Is someone trying to remove this thread from public attention? I can't find it on google search anymore. I used to google "rolex forums 32xx" and get this thread as the first result, now there's no rolexforums.com result at all on the first page of google results.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by t_serban

Is someone trying to remove this thread from public attention? I can't find it on google search anymore. I used to google "rolex forums 32xx" and get this thread as the first result, now there's no rolexforums.com result at all on the first page of google results.

There is a recent thread on this issue.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=963682

Post #17 is specifically what is happening.

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Thank you. I did finally get through much of the thread and for anyone else looking for 22xx comments, post #3711/3721 are useful. I believe the only issue was reported by AtxWatch thus far.

Some interesting comments in the thread about silicon usage, seems like many lower and higher horology movements are shifting to this material. A few comments on shock-resistance as well.

On a positive note, my watch was received at RSC Dallas and a service "Confirmation" was issued within one business day. Standard RSC verbiage many are familiar with listed. I had noted amplitude but not mentioned on confirmation sheet. Watch runs slow certainly seems to be the common terminology used

Customer requests: "Watch runs slow".
Necessary works and optional works approved: "Check movement".
Due date: "Approximately 2 weeks"

Another data point for future readers. My service reference number was 315XXX_003. My reference number for "Debris on date wheel" warranty claim in Aug 2021 was 66XXX_002.

Update: RSC Dallas completed "Check movement" in 3 days and shipped watch out Friday. Rotor is much quieter when shook and winding is smoother, almost feeling like a 31series. I was very surprised it was entirely completed in 3 days; I am guessing they have a separate line dedicated to these issues by now. One has to wonder what, if any parts were swapped. I would think they at least had it for 24 hours just sitting there for timeographer checks.

Besides these repairs, I really think the 12 series sub is the absolute perfect watch, so pleased to have it back on the wrist.

I will do a timeographer check as baseline in a week or two and post.

[SwissSteph]

I'm interested in your feedback and future findings

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

I will do a timeographer check as baseline in a week or two and post.

Do one set of measurements (5 positions) after full winding (t = 0) …. now! The watch should be about 2-3 hours off-wrist before you take timegrapher data.

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Do one set of measurements (5 positions) after full winding (t = 0) …. now! The watch should be about 2-3 hours off-wrist before you take timegrapher data.

I will do a t=0 tonight. I just wanted it back on my wrist today.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

I will do a t=0 tonight. I just wanted it back on my wrist today.

[cascadez71]

Some ramblings first:
1. When hot (worn for 24 hours straight) and placed on timegrapher, DU +6, 300 Amp.
2. Clearly the watch has been regulated Omega style (which I would prefer). I can't judge as worn rate having only had watch approximately one day (best guess 0 to -0.5spd).
3. Numbers start ticking down very regularly and evenly till it stabilized. This was common across all positions. I think you could let settle 15 minutes at each position if you wanted, but who has the time for that... Same for reversing positions. 9U to DU, will slowly and evenly tick up for rate and amp till it stabilizes.

Fresh results below. I let watch sit DU for 2 hours to get to ambient (66F / 19 C). Wound fully. Settled 15 min DU. I let each position settle for 2 mins, as noted above probably could have settled longer.

7 Oct: Before service
30 Oct: After service

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

…..Fresh results below. I let watch sit DU for 2 hours to get to ambient (66F / 19 C). Wound fully. Settled 15 min DU. I let each position settle for 2 mins, as noted above probably could have settled longer.

Thanks! Interesting results with very high amplitude values for a 32xx. I haven't seen that the 3 vertical amplitudes are 257, 263, and 270 degrees.

I suggest you a second simple test: after wearing during the day, place your watch at rest overnight and repeat the timegrapher test first thing in the morning, of course after full winding. It would be very interesting to see if you can reproduce the numbers or measure a difference.

[FlyinHawaiian]

Originally Posted by cascadez71

Some ramblings first:
1. When hot (worn for 24 hours straight) and placed on timegrapher, DU +6, 300 Amp.
2. Clearly the watch has been regulated Omega style (which I would prefer). I can't judge as worn rate having only had watch approximately one day (best guess 0 to -0.5spd).
3. Numbers start ticking down very regularly and evenly till it stabilized. This was common across all positions. I think you could let settle 15 minutes at each position if you wanted, but who has the time for that... Same for reversing positions. 9U to DU, will slowly and evenly tick up for rate and amp till it stabilizes.

Fresh results below. I let watch sit DU for 2 hours to get to ambient (66F / 19 C). Wound fully. Settled 15 min DU. I let each position settle for 2 mins, as noted above probably could have settled longer.

7 Oct: Before service
30 Oct: After service

I have similar results after getting my SD43 back from Dallas RSC.

[SwissSteph]

What I find incredible is the closely guarded secrecy of what they do as a repair / adjustment ... that no information is “found” on the www!? With so many people aware of “what they're going to do to repair”, nothing leaks out, it's amazing...

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

I have similar results after getting my SD43 back from Dallas RSC.

Can you post your data after RSC repair?

[Leeh]

I’ve been checking on this thread every now and then. The recent repairs with higher than usual amplitude numbers are a bit reassuring. Assuming they replaced parts, my guess is that the new part/s tolerances have been ever so slightly modified to achieve higher amps.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Leeh

The recent repairs with higher than usual amplitude numbers are a bit reassuring.

The results may be reassuring but to date there is no evidence that the watches that have been "In for a fix" keep the high amplitudes for a prolonged period.

It will still take some time to know for sure, but, unfortunately the current signs are not looking too good.

[Monnal]

Hey everyone! I just created this account to go from a simple reader to a participant and share my personal experience.

I live in the south of France, and I have a Submariner 124060 from September 2021. I never had any issues until early October, when I noticed it was losing around 20-25 seconds per day.

I took it to my RCS, where I have a good relationship with them. They took my watch right away, and after about an hour, they gave it back to me. While I was waiting, I got to try out the latest 1908—really nice piece.

Anyway, back with my Sub, I asked what they’d done and if they were aware of these issues with the 32XX movements. They told me yes, but it’s nothing major. They changed the escapement fork and lubed it up.

Since then, no issues—it’s running perfectly and gaining around 3 seconds per day.

Thanks, everyone, hope this helps!

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Monnal

Hey everyone! I just created this account to go from a simple reader to a participant and share my personal experience.

I live in the south of France, and I have a Submariner 124060 from September 2021. I never had any issues until early October, when I noticed it was losing around 20-25 seconds per day.

I took it to my RCS, where I have a good relationship with them. They took my watch right away, and after about an hour, they gave it back to me. While I was waiting, I got to try out the latest 1908—really nice piece.

Anyway, back with my Sub, I asked what they’d done and if they were aware of these issues with the 32XX movements. They told me yes, but it’s nothing major. They changed the escapement fork and lubed it up.

Since then, no issues—it’s running perfectly and gaining around 3 seconds per day.

Thanks, everyone, hope this helps!

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