New official Rolex History of Submariner book.

[TickTockChuck]

I really want this as I consider the Submariner the most iconic Rolex.

[TickTockChuck]

Originally Posted by harvey

ffs quit your moaning and let people enjoy their purchase…

I would have to agree.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by harvey

ffs quit your moaning and let people enjoy their purchase…

Embarrassing. It’s a history book. Missing the facts defeats the purpose. I own the book myself. Should I be happy about getting a book that fails at its purpose?

Originally Posted by Funkle

Well, while we are complaining, I don't believe the term "quality control" quite applies to literature, unless some pages fell out when you "flipped to."

I’m an editor. Fact-checking is absolutely a quality control process.

[David16610LV]

Originally Posted by Scholar

Finally started flipping through the official Submariner book today and there has been a major mistake on every page I’ve flipped to. And I’m not by any means an expert like Padi or others.

It even gets basic things wrong that actual Rolex print ads got right. How did this thing pass quality control?

Perhaps I should sell this to some super fan because this book is basically useless. Not sure what the appeal is besides the Rolex imprimatur.

There are certainly some editorial errors that I've noticed, for example the correct people listed/talked about in the text and then a photo meant to be of them but incorrectly labelled with the wrong names, and of course the claim that the Oyster Perpetual was the first waterproof watch (although that is only in the label to one photo and in a schematic showing the Sub evolution, and is not stated in the text itself by the author).

Beyond that, could you please give some examples of the 'major mistakes' and factual inaccuracies that you refer to. I would appreciate this as it will help me learn. Thanks.

[drrd]

I’ve enjoyed Nick’s cigar review/chat uploads on YouTube. Shame he seems to have stopped those now.

Perhaps this book should have been similarly light hearted in tone and maybe not aimed to be a definitive guide?

Still, with the backing of Rolex it seems it could have been better.

[diracpoint]

Another review of the book here (not sure if already posted): https://perezcope.com/2024/09/30/rev...erproof-watch/

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by drrd

I’ve enjoyed Nick’s cigar review/chat uploads on YouTube. Shame he seems to have stopped those now.

Perhaps this book should have been similarly light hearted in tone and maybe not aimed to be a definitive guide?

Still, with the backing of Rolex it seems it could have been better.

If it were like that, I would have liked it. I don't dislike Foulkes; we even share a tailor! (Of course, not that that guarantees amity; one guy I met through the watch collecting world who is also a customer of said tailor funded his lifestyle by embezzling billions out of a poor third-world country...)

When the book gets things like basic dates, which Rolex ads got right, it's really damning. Or as the Perezcope review points out, getting the whole helium escape valve wrong.

[robbrum]

The book is reduced in price to 73,99€ including shipping on Amazon.nl



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[Funkle]

Originally Posted by Scholar

Embarrassing. It’s a history book. Missing the facts defeats the purpose. I own the book myself. Should I be happy about getting a book that fails at its purpose?



I’m an editor. Fact-checking is absolutely a quality control process.

I stand corrected then. It just seems to me that information doesn't have a "quality" aspect to it. It's either correct, or it isn't, no grey area.

Either way, there won't be a test later, but I think I'll skip the book. The internet has alll the "facts" I need.

[csaltphoto]

Apparently there are tons of errors. Like watches with service dials/hands/bezels being represented as "original" and so on.

[Funkle]

Maybe the WIS should "interview" this Foulkes guy, and during "questioning" they could give him electric shocks.






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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Scholar

If it were like that, I would have liked it. I don't dislike Foulkes; we even share a tailor! (Of course, not that that guarantees amity; one guy I met through the watch collecting world who is also a customer of said tailor funded his lifestyle by embezzling billions out of a poor third-world country...)

When the book gets things like basic dates, which Rolex ads got right, it's really damning. Or as the Perezcope review points out, getting the whole helium escape valve wrong.

I’d consider a different tailor …. Carry on

[Kevin of Larchmont]

I canceled my order. Too much drama.

[harvey]

There is another Rolex book just out… The Rolex Guide by Mads Urup Gjodesen, which I have just ordered.

[HogwldFLTR]

I received the Sub book a few days ago. I've not had a chance to actually look at it yet.

[Harmon Rabb]

Thinking of ordering the book. Does it go into details about say the gilt era of 5513 and different dials and serial number in details as opposed to discussions on this forums and others?

[fskywalker]

Arriving soon !






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[noshame]

Received mine today!

DISCLAIMER: Submariner Date is not included .




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[B2 Stealth]

Mine supposedly arrives today. Waiting for GMT edition.

[rolph]

I practically cant wait, useful content.

[lord91]

I've finished reading the book, i found it very pleasant to go through all the pages.

I'm not the "i know all the references of each year" type. Maybe here and there, as some have mentioned, they got it wrong, and obviously it would have been better not to. For instance, i always knew the Submariner's original size to be 37 mm, but the book only mentions 38.

When i finished the book, i felt with the impression that it could have had the Yacht Master a part of it, since it also covers the other maritime inspired models. Yacht Master is basically Rolex's offering of the Submariner with a less tool vibe, a bit more refinement look without the tweaks that a deep diver watch comes with. From this point of view, it would make more sense for the PM Submariner Date to be offered on OF only, and the PM Yacht Master on bracelet.

All in all, regarding the comments that criticised this book to the point of naming it a fail or not worthy to buy, i do not agree with them. So i would like to point out a quote from the book itself which clearly states what this book is and it isn't: "These books are not intended to be a complete and exhaustive survey of every declension of every model (that would require many more pages and volumes), nor do they have any pretensions to omniscience: there are gaps still to be flled and mysteries yet to be elucidated. Instead, they are intended to enrich and enhance the way we experience a remarkable brand that has witnessed truly historic events and which has itself participated in the making of history."

Happy lecture!

[Funkle]

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I’d consider a different tailor …. Carry on

Haha the tailor is an extremely honest craftsman. I only know the backstory of that guy and his family because I have strong links to Asia myself.

Buying a suit is a drop in the bucket next to his world-renowned Patek, vintage Daytona, RM etc collection, lol.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Scholar

Haha the tailor is an extremely honest craftsman. I only know the backstory of that guy and his family because I have strong links to Asia myself.

Buying a suit is a drop in the bucket next to his world-renowned Patek, vintage Daytona, RM etc collection, lol.

Yikes!


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