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27 July 2011, 12:52 AM
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different coronets for 5512 dials with minute ring
answering to ndb80 ...
here are the 3 different types of coronets ( and dials ) for 5512 with minutes ring : 1) mk1 : here shown on a very early model with square shoulders ; someone call it also "twisted crown" due to the last ferrule on the right that seems to be "twisted" ( moved on the right ) ; in use from 1959 to 1961 :   ( the word SUBMARINER can be either in silver or gold (in this case under the coat of transparent paint )). 2) mk2 : the dial with "tulip" coronet ( the name comes from its shape that looks like the head of the flower ) ; in use from 1959 up to 1961 :  3) mk3 : ( no nickname found untill now ) : it's the last model , in use from 1961 up to the end of 5512/3 with minutes ring dials ( end of 1963 circa ) :  footnote : in mk2 and mk3 dials .. the 2 lines of maximum depth are quite close , but not 100 % equal ( see the different shape of the letter "t" ). |
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27 July 2011, 12:56 AM
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Thank you for posting this!!!
Super super helpful. |
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27 July 2011, 01:02 AM
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further pictures coming ASAP, so stay tuned !! LLOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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27 July 2011, 01:17 AM
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first picture is a better side view of the 5512 with square shoulders :
 the second is the detail of a tulip crown 5512 faded to brown : 
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27 July 2011, 01:20 AM
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Awesome post Marcello! Those square shoulder crown guards!
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27 July 2011, 01:22 AM
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yes .. and btw this is the only one seen untill now with case and dial in excellent conditions,
as almost have either a very worn case or a "sad" dial , and sometimes both ... 
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27 July 2011, 01:26 AM
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Marcello my friend- excellent post. I love that ultra rare square crown guard 5512- amazing and with correct bezel insert!! I have seen only one in my life!! Thanks for sharing with us as always!!
Cheers- Ken
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27 July 2011, 01:33 AM
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Thanks Marcello. Informative post, as always
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27 July 2011, 01:42 AM
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Thank you for posting Marcello !
This is our best EDUCATION !!! Especially for us,the SUB lovers, learning more and more on the subject and of so interesting things, is always welcomed !
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27 July 2011, 01:32 AM
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drool worthy examples!!!
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27 July 2011, 01:53 AM
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Great post Marcello..... Now this is what I like about TRF
 And never actually noticed that twisting effect on the early crown  Give me this any day over....... How do I use the bezel on my Sub.....? My GMT hand seems to be losing time.....and goes slower than the hour hand. Can I take my watch on holiday....? What are the long and short pointy things on my watch face ....? Sorry and no offence guys if anyone has actually posted such comments ....but pleeeeaaassseeee 
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27 July 2011, 02:05 AM
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27 July 2011, 02:15 AM
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...how do I wind my automatic watch ?
  I fully respect posts like these that broad our knowledge, and I thank the friends that post them.
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27 July 2011, 02:36 AM
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But when you see a carefully researched, knowledgable and interesting post like your own compared to some of the mundane ramblings fired off with machine gun regularity, it's like night and day and a real breath of fresh air  . Thanks ever so much for sharing
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27 July 2011, 02:00 AM
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thanks guys !
here are two other example of mk3 dials , the first ( courtesy Fabrizio ) with the exclamation point and the 2nd ( cortesy Eric ) chronometer with underline :  
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27 July 2011, 02:23 AM
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Super post Marcello!
Thank you for sharing your wonderful knowledge with us on the forum. Ciao, Jeff |
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27 July 2011, 02:26 AM
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last picture for today : a mk3 without either exclamation point or underline ....
quite a rare bird ( LLOOLLL ) ... 
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27 July 2011, 02:44 AM
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great informative post marcello! many thanks
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27 July 2011, 02:47 AM
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hey for me there is no problem ....post whatever thing you like.
I wrote "British humour" as I have other Uk friends and so I'm well accustomed to stand their jokes ... LLLOOLLLL |
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27 July 2011, 03:14 AM
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Marcello,
What an unbelievable piece...square guard!! SO RARE!!! And in that condition, it is impossible to find!! Best, Jon |
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27 July 2011, 03:16 AM
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Thank you very much! I was the op in the other thread... Very good explanation and i now clearly understand that mine has NOT got a tulip coronet... from your description I guess my dial is a MkIII ? serial is 693xxx and caseback says III-60... 
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27 July 2011, 03:36 AM
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yes ndb , it's a mk3 dial with a case produced in 1961, so perfect with a back like your.
just for curiosity : are you an Inter supporter ?? I think is very rare in your country ! |
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27 July 2011, 03:57 AM
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Little OT... Yes I am a DIE HARD Interista! I miss San Siro more than Italian food here in the UK... ( I am born in Rome, then grew up between Milano ,Tanzania and Kenya and been in Uk since 1997!) end OT................... |
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27 July 2011, 03:58 AM
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Very informative post Marcello!
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27 July 2011, 08:30 AM
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Fantastic Marcello - a great reference post that deserves a sticky regarding 5512 dial variations!!
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27 July 2011, 08:48 AM
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very kind of you guys !
further pictures and the examination of some details coming ( if possible ) tomorrow ! work in progress ... |
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27 July 2011, 08:50 AM
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Marcy- thanks and life is a work in progress! Look forward to it- good stuff!
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27 July 2011, 10:00 AM
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Whew, thanks Marcello, as always you surprise us with something different everytime:),wouldn't have noticed that twisted crown:) and wow, amazing how a slight variation in detail makes such a huge difference in vintage world.
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27 July 2011, 10:01 AM
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Big 5512 fan here. Thank you so much for a great post. Really enjoyed reading it. Going to subscribe so I can see more tomorrow.
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27 July 2011, 10:01 AM
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Marcello thanks for posting pics and explanations. I love it when experienced collectors share their knowledge.
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