GMT and Toys

[dwaine99]

[flumazenil]

Is that a silencer?

[dwaine99]

100% legal and registered with ATF... most don't realize that private ownership is allowed in the following states: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WI, and WY

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by dwaine99

100% legal and registered with ATF... most don't realize that private ownership is allowed in the following states: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WI, and WY

Yup, you can own one in Washington State, but you cannot legally use it, not even at the range. So what's the point of owning it if you can't use it?

[dwaine99]

Va is "supressor" friendly..... can even transport thru other "friendly" states....machine gun friendly too.... only problem is a nice one cost as much as GOLD Rolex...

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by dwaine99

Va is "supressor" friendly..... can even transport thru other "friendly" states....machine gun friendly too.... only problem is a nice one cost as much as GOLD Rolex...

I would rather own a full-auto rifle than a suppresor. I had the pleasure of firing full auto (M4 and several versions of MP5) during one of my overseas vacations. It was a kick in the pants. And yes, there was a supressed glock there too. The trigger reset was actually louder than the actual bang.

[Robb]

Great pic!

[gha]

Just wondering, why would it be recommended that you carry it that way? (Hammer back/safety on?)
I admit, I know squat about guns. Just a question...don't shoot....gha

[mike]

Originally Posted by gha

Just wondering, why would it be recommended that you carry it that way? (Hammer back/safety on?)
I admit, I know squat about guns. Just a question...don't shoot....gha

To simply answer your question, it's called condition "one". It's the prefered method of carry for the professional.

[GrandDaddy]

Cocked and locked, ready to rock. Just strange that you have a supressor in the picture and neither pistol has a threaded barrel. Just showin' off, maybe?

[jbrockiii]

Can't think of a better combo, fine watches and fine guns.

[JBat]

Originally Posted by gha

Just wondering, why would it be recommended that you carry it that way? (Hammer back/safety on?)
I admit, I know squat about guns. Just a question...don't shoot....gha

Short answer, because it's not a double action pistol, just like most 1911 style autos. It's single action (the hammer has to be pulled back for the weapon to fire). In a stress situation, the last thing you want to be doing is messing around with cocking the hammer when your life is on the line. Cocked, it's just release the safety and fire away. Condition one like a previous poster said, and really the only way you want to carry a pistol used for self defense.

Otherwise, what's the point?

[Gaijin]

I was a US Army MP. I was trained on the 1911 and carried one every shift for 4 years less some time in MPI when I carried a concealed .38.

At every duty station I was at we were not allowed to have a round in the chamber or the hammer cocked back. We had to have the weapon on safe. Hammer down. Therefore if I needed to fire my weapon (which of course would be under stress and duress) I needed to take the weapon off of safe, chamber a round, hope the grip safety worked properly and fire the weapon.

Baaaaah.

Love the Glock 17 I carry now. Point and shoot.

Having said that, I am really offended by all this gun talk and actual pictures of weapons here.

[Rawhyde]

I got a new FN FiveSeven a couple of weeks ago. My camera is pretty lousy or I'd post a pic. I passed up a Colt civilian version National Match made in the 1950's about 20 years ago and have regretted it ever since. (At least I was smart enough to pick up a Colt Woodsman Match Target that day....)

Rawhyde

[dwaine99]

I have one of the first 1000 G17's imported into the US... I'd post a pic but it might offend someone.........hehehehehe I trust the Glocks more than any other handgun...... but since I offended KansaiVet, I'm seriously thinking of selling all my handguns, my wife's datejust 18kt/ss, my GMT-II for a $100.00 and buying his and hers Casios.............hehehehe

[Mike734]

Originally Posted by mike

To simply answer your question, it's called condition "one". It's the prefered method of carry for the professional.

LEO weapons around here don't have external safety's of that nature. No cop would carry his .45 in that state. The risk of accidental discharge is too great.

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Wow, that's scary. You would think that since you are an LEO you would have an idea on the manual of arms for most (if not all) handguns. What if your only weapon of opportunity is a 1911 (BTW, it's called a 1911, not a .45), would you be S.O.L. then? Think about it.

I was being a little humble. I know how to use the weapon but have not qualified on it.

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

I was a US Army MP. I was trained on the 1911 and carried one every shift for 4 years less some time in MPI when I carried a concealed .38.

At every duty station I was at we were not allowed to have a round in the chamber or the hammer cocked back. We had to have the weapon on safe. Hammer down.

He too should not have the hammer cocked nor should he have a round in the chamber unless he is about to shoot or unless his SOP's require it.


Sorry if I started something here that sidetracked the thread. I just get offended by people who LOVE guns a little too much. They are a necessary evil IMHO.

[fear]

Guns are bad! Why do some Rolex fans glorify an evil object?

[jasonbellevue]

Originally Posted by fear

Guns are bad! Why do some Rolex fans glorify an evil object?

[Gaijin]

I actually don't really like guns and hate having to go to the range every three months and having to qualify. All that means to me is that I am going to have to clean my weapon afterwards. Hate cleaning my weapon.

I have never understood my co-workers who love to go shoot even on thier days off.

As far as the 1911 .45, it is carried that way in most police departments. The 1911 has a grip safety that allows it to be carried safely with a round in the chamber and the normal safety off. The Army just had strick post SOP which prohibited that. I am guessing that since 9-11 those policies have changed.

The action reaction principle dictates that if I need to use deadly force and I have to jack a round and take my weapon off of safe I am probably dead already. That and not training to do it under stress and getting some serious muscle memory skills is going to diminish your survivability in a close quarter gun fight or with a crazed person up close armed with an edged weapon. Not having a round in the chamber and having your weapon on safe for an on duty urban police officer is sheer madness.

[fear]

[QUOTE=KansaiVet;356369Hate cleaning my weapon.

Ain't that the truth!!! I hate cleaning guns!!

[Rawhyde]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

I have never understood my co-workers who love to go shoot even on thier days off.

Shooting is a fantastic hobby/sport to some of us. With all due respect, have you ever tried any shooting other than "qualification" type shooting?

Have you tried shooting oyster crackers off a bosrd with a .22 target pistol at 50 feet? That's fun, but none too easy.... Ever tried blasting a 2 liter cola bottle filled with water at 75-100 yards with a .44 Magnum? Want something that'll really get you hooked? Try Sporting Clays! Skeet and trap are almost as entertaining also.

For some reason, enforcement types are fascinated with shooting at sillouette targets at 7 yards, 9 mm, .40, and .45 auto pistols. Best group I can generally get out of one of those things is 4-6" at 25 yards, whereas a fine magnum revolver or target pistol can do a ragged hole at the same range.

Get an accurate gun and select some reactive target (such as bottles of water or a box of clay targets) and get on a range that is safe for "plinking", then place your targets at a range that they test the limits of man and machine. 5 clays at 50 yards are great. You start on the left, I start on the right, and whoever breaks the one in the center first "wins"!

SSD and I shot recreationally all through college like this. When he decided to go into enforcement, his new buddies were ribbing him on his first trip to a "real range". They even had the gall to poke fun at his Colt Python! I think he shot a 97 his first time and he thought the whole process was a joke!

The whole point of this rambling post is to convince you to try some shooting where the only "rules" relate to safe gun handling. You might be plesantly surprised at how much fun it can be to shoot for fun. If you're ever in the Chattanooga area, I'd be glad to arrange a demonstration!

Rawhyde

[jasonbellevue]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

Hate cleaning my weapon.

I don't. I love cleaning my guns (i'm an avid 1911 fan as well) as much as I love cleaning my watches.

[mike]

Originally Posted by Mike734

LEO weapons around here don't have external safety's of that nature. No cop would carry his .45 in that state. The risk of accidental discharge is too great.

Mike,

Not to start one of those "here we go again" threads, but The condition one 1911 is in fact the prefered sidearm of many law enforcement agencies.

The SWAT team I served on for one, not to mention the U.S. Marshall SOG teams and the FBI HRT teams. I trained with both and can surely state both those agencies are in fact issued that weapon.
Over the years it's been my honor to train many of these guys.

[dwaine99]

Originally Posted by mike

Mike,

Not to start one of those "here we go again" threads, but The condition one 1911 is in fact the prefered sidearm of many law enforcement agencies.

The SWAT team I served on for one, not to mention the U.S. Marshall SOG teams and the FBI HRT teams. I trained with both and can surely state both those agencies are in fact issued that weapon.
Over the years it's been my honor to train many of these guys.

You are correct... I know this is true because I have been in the their gear locker many times.....One more pic of my favorite carry gun... the G36......I will not speak of these evil things again.......hehehe

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mike734

LEO weapons around here don't have external safety's of that nature. No cop would carry his .45 in that state.

Wrong again! I am from Washington, just like you. I know 1911 are authorized for Tacoma PD. Keep trying!

[Mike734]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Wrong again! I am from Washington, just like you. I know 1911 are authorized for Tacoma PD. Keep trying!

Seattle PD do not walk around with the hammer back. Seattle PD weapons do not have external safety's. That's all I'm saying. But, I am not a local PD, so I'm not an expert.

My only point was that if I was going to take a photo of my weapon it would not be loaded with the hammer back. The 1911 can be made safer if you lower the hammer.

Local SOP's differ. Tacoma may be different.

[cbsmohai]

Originally Posted by Mike734

LEO weapons around here don't have external safety's of that nature. No cop would carry his .45 in that state. The risk of accidental discharge is too great.



I was being a little humble. I know how to use the weapon but have not qualified on it.



He too should not have the hammer cocked nor should he have a round in the chamber unless he is about to shoot or unless his SOP's require it.


Sorry if I started something here that sidetracked the thread. I just get offended by people who LOVE guns a little too much. They are a necessary evil IMHO.

Being an advocate of the 1911, and the way it was designed, I'll have to interject. It was designed to be a combat sidearm. My grandfather carried his trusty Colt cocked and locked for over 50 years. I keep my nearby my bed also "ready to rock"

I can safely say that with a grip safety, a 1911 with a round chambered and the hammer back is as safe as a loaded Glock or revolver.

Now as far as cops and accidental discharge is concerned, I've seen and heard quite a few Glock stories. It's amazing how many will draw their sidearm with their finger already inside the trigger guard.

If you have a gun on you, or nearby you, there is no reason why a bullet shouldn't be in the chamber. No matter WHAT type of pistol/revolver.

[blackgt3]

I love these piccys of watches and guns so heres mine, im not much of a photographer though.....but what the heck.

Just picked up my new Daytona today, so......more to come.

This is my first post but I have been stalking around for the past few months

[Andad]

I prefer a black dial with a black grip.

[Automatic Art]

Dude I love it! I'm a GMT and HK and pistol fan too. TT GMTc, HK 45 and USP .45.