Perception is powerful..and expensive

[Easy E]

Retail vs retail, one vs the other hard to say if the Daytona $6k more watch than white Speedy or not. Maybe it is. I have owned a white 500 and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I found it to have legibility issues in many lighting conditions. I just picked up the white Speedy yesterday and it is super solid in the legibility department. So in that regard, favor to the Speedy. The general market seems to disagree with me. I get it the Daytona is a beautiful piece, but 3.7x...wow.

[Mystro]

And worth every penny more……

[MP777]

One is 99% made in Switzerland (and holds its value) while the other is probably 75% made in China (and will be at half off a couple of years later). The finishing and overall quality is really apparent when you compare them side by side.

[amphr1]

Originally Posted by MP777

One is 99% made in Switzerland (and holds its value) while the other is probably 75% made in China (and will be at half off a couple of years later). The finishing and overall quality is really apparent when you compare them side by side.

You better have some evidence before claiming the China connection! I have both and I would say they are not worlds apart. Daytona is better build in case finishing, but I'd argue that no movement is more beautiful than the Speedy's.

[MP777]

Plenty of posts already about Omega bracelets coming from China. The country of origin doesn’t really matter as long as the same standard of quality applies, which in Omega’s case I dont think it does.

Just look at the inside edge of your clasp and you’ll see the stamped marks left by the NCT machine. Now look at the Daytona’s and see how well polished it is. Just one example of Omega’s cost cutting.

Originally Posted by amphr1

You better have some evidence before claiming the China connection! I have both and I would say they are not worlds apart. Daytona is better build in case finishing, but I'd argue that no movement is more beautiful than the Speedy's.

[Marcjvr]

Originally Posted by MP777

One is 99% made in Switzerland (and holds its value) while the other is probably 75% made in China (and will be at half off a couple of years later). The finishing and overall quality is really apparent when you compare them side by side.

LOL

Easy on the koolaid

[gamingdoctor]

Originally Posted by MP777

One is 99% made in Switzerland (and holds its value) while the other is probably 75% made in China (and will be at half off a couple of years later). The finishing and overall quality is really apparent when you compare them side by side.

Wow coming in here with guns blazing...surely you have a source to back this up?

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by MP777

One is 99% made in Switzerland (and holds its value) while the other is probably 75% made in China (and will be at half off a couple of years later). The finishing and overall quality is really apparent when you compare them side by side.

So Omega’s watches are only 25% Swiss? You know that for a watch to be considered Swiss Made, 60% of its components need to be Swiss, right? So stop spreading misinformation

[Sergio_UKR]

I own both White Face Speedy and RG OF Daytona 12x. Both purchased from ADs and I would say that both overpriced even at retail, with Rolex obviously being overpriced more.

Panda's secondary market price is just absurd. Just buy a PM Daytona from your AD at retail instead if you really want Daytona.

[EL Diablo]

I own each of these pieces...
Each is unique in its own way and I admire them both.

Daytona is automatic Vs. manual Speedy
Daytona finishing is better... and feels more lux.

Speedy has open case back displaying the 3861

You can get a Speedy at the Ad... Good luck getting a Daytona.
Daytona sells for 2x MSRP in the secondary market... you can get a brand new speedy for 15%-20% discount. Not the white one yet.

While I love the Speedy... The Daytona wins for me.

[928ktgold]

Originally Posted by EL Diablo

I own each of these pieces...
Each is unique in its own way and I admire them both.

Daytona is automatic Vs. manual Speedy
Daytona finishing is better... and feels more lux.

Speedy has open case back displaying the 3861

You can get a Speedy at the Ad... Good luck getting a Daytona.
Daytona sells for 2x MSRP in the secondary market... you can get a brand new speedy for 15%-20% discount. Not the white one yet.

While I love the Speedy... The Daytona wins for me.

Have you lived with a 3861 movement? When you use the chrono it jumps 2-3 seconds upon initiation about half the time. Not even consistently. Column wheel chrono don’t jump at all. The movement does look good. I have one but it doesn’t compare in the quality department. Also the bracelet is nice, but when changing links what a pain with tiny screws and still push rods under the screws? Come on

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by 928ktgold

Have you lived with a 3861 movement? When you use the chrono it jumps 2-3 seconds upon initiation about half the time. Not even consistently. Column wheel chrono don’t jump at all. The movement does look good. I have one but it doesn’t compare in the quality department. Also the bracelet is nice, but when changing links what a pain with tiny screws and still push rods under the screws? Come on

As a side note, there is solid logic behind the small screws and center axle rod. The screws have no tension on them, no friction, no movement. They are way less, like by a lot less, likely to ever back out of the link. The rod connects the links without any extra restriction and allows the links to rotate better. Are the small screws a PITA? Yes, very much so, but they serve a legit purpose.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Easy E

As a side note, there is solid logic behind the small screws and center axle rod. The screws have no tension on them, no friction, no movement. They are way less, like by a lot less, likely to ever back out of the link. The rod connects the links without any extra restriction and allows the links to rotate better. Are the small screws a PITA? Yes, very much so, but they serve a legit purpose.

That’s interesting information

[928ktgold]

Originally Posted by Easy E

As a side note, there is solid logic behind the small screws and center axle rod. The screws have no tension on them, no friction, no movement. They are way less, like by a lot less, likely to ever back out of the link. The rod connects the links without any extra restriction and allows the links to rotate better. Are the small screws a PITA? Yes, very much so, but they serve a legit purpose.

Got it

[CH69]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Retail vs retail, one vs the other hard to say if the Daytona $6k more watch than white Speedy or not. Maybe it is. I have owned a white 500 and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I found it to have legibility issues in many lighting conditions. I just picked up the white Speedy yesterday and it is super solid in the legibility department. So in that regard, favor to the Speedy. The general market seems to disagree with me. I get it the Daytona is a beautiful piece, but 3.7x...wow.

It is the brand (and image it projects on the wearer) that commands the premium. Watch wise, both are great pieces, but image wise, Rolex is far ahead of Omega.

[jamesgames]

Retail vs Retail the daytona premium is 100% worth it. I dont know a single person that would turn down a daytona at retail for a speedy..

I do love the speedmaster white dial, but it just isn't the white dial daytona.

[Commander C.]

Originally Posted by jamesgames

Retail vs Retail the daytona premium is 100% worth it. I dont know a single person that would turn down a daytona at retail for a speedy..

I do love the speedmaster white dial, but it just isn't the white dial daytona.

Sure, I would take the Daytona at retail if I could immediately flip it. However, if neither the Daytona nor the white Speedmaster sold above retail on the secondary market, then I would take the Speedmaster 100% of the time, even if the Daytona cost less. My first (but not only) criterion on selecting a watch is how it looks, and I think the Speedmaster is a better-looking watch than the Daytona. The prestige of the Daytona is meaningless to me, and any marginal improvement in the fit and finish of the Daytona would not outweigh my preference for the appearance of the Speedmaster. While I don't own the white Speedmaster, I've tried it on, and it was a great fit for my wrist, so the slight increase in thickness is not an issue. And the water resistance difference is irrelevant, as I would never swim with either watch.

[gamingdoctor]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Retail vs retail, one vs the other hard to say if the Daytona $6k more watch than white Speedy or not. Maybe it is. I have owned a white 500 and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I found it to have legibility issues in many lighting conditions. I just picked up the white Speedy yesterday and it is super solid in the legibility department. So in that regard, favor to the Speedy. The general market seems to disagree with me. I get it the Daytona is a beautiful piece, but 3.7x...wow.

I don't really understand this logic. A gshock is a fraction of the price, more reliable, accurate, and legible than either of the watches - why aren't we including that in this discussion?

We need to accept that these are luxury baubles, and some baubles are more hyped than others.

[jb335]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

I don't really understand this logic. A gshock is a fraction of the price, more reliable, accurate, and legible than either of the watches - why aren't we including that in this discussion?

We need to accept that these are luxury baubles, and some baubles are more hyped than others.

Thank you, well said


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[Easy E]

Originally Posted by gamingdoctor

I don't really understand this logic. A gshock is a fraction of the price, more reliable, accurate, and legible than either of the watches - why aren't we including that in this discussion?

We need to accept that these are luxury baubles, and some baubles are more hyped than others.

It looks like you do understand, this is, in fact, the point.

[Easy E]

I 100% understand those that prefer the 500 to the white Speedy at retail. I can see the differences enough to justify a $7000 delta, if you like it. For that matter, I just bought a TT 503 white face, secondary price was a hair over retail plus tax. Did so without hesitation - also, very happy with that purchase. But an extra $25K for the steel 500...thats hype and emotion (to me).

[Know1isgod]

Thinking about trading my Air King 126900 for a white speedy. Already have the black 3861 SS.

[jb335]

lol. E for Effort

The Daytona is well worth that


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[ArtNouveau]

I own both a steel Daytona and a Speedy. Love both of them, reseller price irrelevant to me.

[Easy Rhino]

The retail on that 126500LN Daytona in oystersteel is only $15,100, not $34,675. False equivalency.

[928ktgold]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

The retail on that 126500LN Daytona in oystersteel is only $15,100, not $34,675. False equivalency.

No they listed the market price of both pieces the speedy is under $9k retail so it is an equivalent comparison

[SLWoodster]

None of it makes sense. Because the absolute highest complication watch is the $500 Apple Watch. The toughest watch is likely just a $100 g shock. We can see through replica pricing that raw material cost + basic labor could be below $1000 for either.

I have daytonas. I have had the speedmaster sapphire. The caseback is beautiful. I've not had problems with either. Thoough I feel the speedmaster is a better watch, the hype and the story of daytona continues to draw me in. What can I say? i'm just peer-pressure-prone basic b**** who is not into space at all.

Originally Posted by Easy E

Retail vs retail, one vs the other hard to say if the Daytona $6k more watch than white Speedy or not. Maybe it is. I have owned a white 500 and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. I found it to have legibility issues in many lighting conditions. I just picked up the white Speedy yesterday and it is super solid in the legibility department. So in that regard, favor to the Speedy.

[SS Oyster]

These are luxury pieces. Hard to argue with a Casio if all you want is comfort, accuracy and price. With luxury, you are buying what strikes your heart and how you are perceived by others. People want what they can’t get … that means Daytona.


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[Carguy87]

One has a very accurate and reliable movement that will function worry free for years to come.

The other has a crown on the dial

(Just a bit of fun guys, don’t get out the flame throwers please lol)

[Speedbird-1]

The Kings, new clothes?
Is this fairly ordinary looking, steel watch, really worth more than £250K....(more than 4 times MRSP)?
The important thing is, somebody, thinks it is.