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mboverst · 20 June 2012, 09:43 AM

I received an e-mail from Mr. Sam Allen (or Allen Sam..depends on his mood I guess) in the UK looking to purchase a Rolex we had about a month ago. The piece he was looking at had just sold the night before, and I told him I would e-mail him if I had another come in. He then asked if my Rolex's in stock (stainless steel sports) were gold, and I told him they were not. His email subjects were "Urgent Reply Needed!!! Rolex", and the emails were written in very poor English. The usual red flag's were there as he needed it ASAP and was paying full price. The whole situation was fishy, but I receive those all the time and just moved on.

Fast forward a few weeks and he says he now wants a SeaDweller I have in stock. I told him it was available and he could purchase it via wire transfer. I was not about to take a direct credit card from a fishy buyer overseas.

He said he couldn't wire or use eBay. Now he says that he has a US credit card with matching US billing address...so now I look up where his email IP's are coming from....Nigeria!

So here's where the fun begins. I first asked him to call us so we can talk before we proceed any further. He says he's hearing impaired and couldn't use a phone. So, I e-mailed over our stock credit card authorization form and asked him to fill it out along with a copy of his drivers license/government ID. I knew this would be too much trouble for a scammer, and figured I would never hear from him again.

Two days pass and I woke up to a filled out credit card authorization form with an address in NYC. In the email he asked me to charge the card in $2,000 increments until it reached the full price.

The next day he sent over a scanned copy of his drivers license (from a different state)!

A quick google search showed this as the first image for "Virginia Driver's License", and about the 5th hit on a search for "US Driver's License"!

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I wanted to keep it going and play it out, but I've just been too busy to even mess with it. I just responded with a link showing the unaltered driver's license picture. His only response was, "how you doing today, i dont seem to understand you, what PAGE, how far with my order can you let me know how far with it, kindly get back (SIC)". So this guy is still trying to get me to go through with the scam. Why he thinks I'd continue after calling him out on an obviously photoshopped driver's license is beyond me.

Be weary all, scammers are going so far as to secure shipping in the US and photoshop government documents. Most of the scammers reported here are obvious, stupid, and not willing to put in ANY effort. Stay sharp and remember that some of these pro's will go all out to con you. I recently posted a deal here in WatchOut that I completely goofed on and it almost cost me a pretty penny. In dealing with forum members we sometimes get lackadaisical as the majority are good people...but there are still plenty snakes in the grass wherever there's a quick buck to be made.

Scammers info:

E-mail: allenmrsam@yahoo.com

Alias:

Mr. Sam Allen
Mr. Allen Sam

US Address:

649 Arnow Avenue
Apt #1B
Bronx, NY 10467

Latest IP: 41.155.54.136

toph · 20 June 2012, 10:03 AM

great stuff ( if you get what i mean) .. just cant believe that people go this far!

crowncollection · 20 June 2012, 10:53 AM

Thanks for the heads up seems like you have been having some fun with this obvious scammer.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 20 June 2012, 10:55 AM

You can see the top of "J" in the photoshopped DL.

Priceless.

brian8121 · 20 June 2012, 11:35 AM

There's a Nigerian scam baiting website (right here: http://www.419eater.com/) where guys will just mess with the would-be scammers for weeks. It's pretty funny.

kekes7 · 20 June 2012, 11:47 AM

i remember when i got a scammer, played him for weeks, every time i was meant to sent him money someone would get sick, or die, or have an accident, which meant i would be delaying his payment.

then at one stage i think i told him i was sick with medical bills and asked him to send ME money to help me out.

hahaha.

brian8121 · 20 June 2012, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kekes7

then at one stage i think i told him i was sick with medical bills and asked him to send ME money to help me out.

hahaha.

that's awesome

psv · 20 June 2012, 12:22 PM

Thanks for some entertaining evening read, Matt. And you are right, we all need to stay frosty in this sport.

Bangel · 20 June 2012, 11:25 PM

Thanks for the reminder of what can lurk out there.

Amusing, enlightening and frightening all at the same time!

Paladin · 21 June 2012, 03:13 AM

Hey when you are unemployed, living in a third third world shit hole and your only contact with e outside world is a computer what else is there to do but see if everyonein the real world is as stupid as you are....

Thanks for sharing.

swissautopro · 21 June 2012, 04:39 AM

I, too, have been approached by this idiot, just a few days before being approached by Titiczech, which has been discussed. Awww ... was I too harsh???

Andelain · 22 June 2012, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

Hey when you are unemployed, living in a third third world shit hole and your only contact with e outside world is a computer what else is there to do but see if everyonein the real world is as stupid as you are....

Thanks for sharing.

FeelingTheBlues · 21 June 2012, 04:55 AM

He remains a scammer and people should always be careful with those dishonest guys, at least you noticed the obvious fishy situation...

...But still, I can't help but find this one very funny!

FNFZ4 · 21 June 2012, 05:21 AM

Amazing. They are getting more creative i guess

imono · 21 June 2012, 05:52 AM

Wow. I'll be sure to be on the lookout.

boogiebot · 22 June 2012, 09:24 AM

hey matt glad you told this guy where to stick it.

bodybump · 22 June 2012, 12:02 PM

Not HERE!!!!!!

cajunron · 22 June 2012, 03:17 PM

That's funny Matt. I love it. Another tell is when he dated the paper, he put the day before the month. (day/month/year) In the U.S., we do it differently. (month/day/year)

Porsche · 22 June 2012, 03:37 PM

Thanks for the reminder to be ever vigilant Matt

hsfrank · 23 June 2012, 07:40 AM

Btw I checked the phone number for the address given. A nice lady Odessa O Crawford
649 Arnow Ave, Apt 1B Bronx, NY 10467-7012
(718) 653-4463

Age: 65+
Associated: Jason L Crawford
Answered. SURPRISE. Sam Allen is unknown.

mboverst · 23 June 2012, 08:31 AM

Wow! Interesting find...I never thought to even call. I wonder what his plan to get the merchandise was??

Kringkily · 23 June 2012, 08:36 AM

probably have one of his other croonies wait for the mail man.

DCgator · 23 June 2012, 09:08 AM

Scumbag. Period.

Tan · 23 June 2012, 10:07 AM

What a loser.

rowdy · 23 June 2012, 10:58 PM

Haha! Gold! Nicely played sir.

handsfull · 24 June 2012, 11:43 AM

Great thread! I love scammer shananigans....LOL!

A.Sharp · 23 July 2012, 05:22 PM

Similar story just happened to me... I will post the correspondence on here tomorrow or the next day... Someone by the fake name Imogen Morgan, bought my watch 'now' on ebay, thus closing out the bidding. He had zero feedback and its my own fault that i didnt set it to not accept bids from those with zero feed back. anyway, he wrote me a message that he was in the UK, but wanted the watched shipped to his daughter in nigeria right away. I then received FAKE (verified by paypal and ebay -Spoof) messages from paypal saying the funds had cleared and it was safe for me to ship the watch. needless to say i knew this was fake the moment the guy said nigeria and when i checked my paypal and no such funds existed...

HL65 · 23 July 2012, 09:46 PM

What a loser....Thaks for sharing!! This is also why I only deal with people I know and trust!!

JizJizJiz · 23 August 2012, 07:56 AM

lol nice work Matt - reminds me of this: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

HKtoter · 23 August 2012, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JizJizJiz

lol nice work Matt - reminds me of this: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/

I almost pee'd myself!!!! That's funny

20 June 2012, 10:03 AM	#2
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	great stuff ( if you get what i mean) .. just cant believe that people go this far! __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

20 June 2012, 10:53 AM	#3
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,214	Thanks for the heads up seems like you have been having some fun with this obvious scammer. __________________ watches many

20 June 2012, 10:55 AM	#4
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	You can see the top of "J" in the photoshopped DL. Priceless. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

21 June 2012, 03:13 AM	#10
Paladin "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: So. California Posts: 1,232	Hey when you are unemployed, living in a third third world shit hole and your only contact with e outside world is a computer what else is there to do but see if everyonein the real world is as stupid as you are.... Thanks for sharing. __________________ 1601, 1675/3, 16753, 16750, 16750, 16700, 16610, 18238

21 June 2012, 04:39 AM	#11
swissautopro "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: South Carolina Watch: 3.3M 1655 Mk I Posts: 2,384	I, too, have been approached by this idiot, just a few days before being approached by Titiczech, which has been discussed. Awww ... was I too harsh??? __________________ "A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a bandit, and scarcity like an armed man." Proverbs 24 "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt." Unknown "Better to be a nobody and yet have a servant than pretend to be somebody and have no food." Proverbs 12

20 June 2012, 09:43 AM	#1
mboverst "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Dallas Posts: 1,683	Watchout! Playing with a scammer... I received an e-mail from Mr. Sam Allen (or Allen Sam..depends on his mood I guess) in the UK looking to purchase a Rolex we had about a month ago. The piece he was looking at had just sold the night before, and I told him I would e-mail him if I had another come in. He then asked if my Rolex's in stock (stainless steel sports) were gold, and I told him they were not. His email subjects were "Urgent Reply Needed!!! Rolex", and the emails were written in very poor English. The usual red flag's were there as he needed it ASAP and was paying full price. The whole situation was fishy, but I receive those all the time and just moved on. Fast forward a few weeks and he says he now wants a SeaDweller I have in stock. I told him it was available and he could purchase it via wire transfer. I was not about to take a direct credit card from a fishy buyer overseas. He said he couldn't wire or use eBay. Now he says that he has a US credit card with matching US billing address...so now I look up where his email IP's are coming from....Nigeria! So here's where the fun begins. I first asked him to call us so we can talk before we proceed any further. He says he's hearing impaired and couldn't use a phone. So, I e-mailed over our stock credit card authorization form and asked him to fill it out along with a copy of his drivers license/government ID. I knew this would be too much trouble for a scammer, and figured I would never hear from him again. Two days pass and I woke up to a filled out credit card authorization form with an address in NYC. In the email he asked me to charge the card in $2,000 increments until it reached the full price. The next day he sent over a scanned copy of his drivers license (from a different state)! A quick google search showed this as the first image for "Virginia Driver's License", and about the 5th hit on a search for "US Driver's License"! : I wanted to keep it going and play it out, but I've just been too busy to even mess with it. I just responded with a link showing the unaltered driver's license picture. His only response was, "how you doing today, i dont seem to understand you, what PAGE, how far with my order can you let me know how far with it, kindly get back (SIC)". So this guy is still trying to get me to go through with the scam. Why he thinks I'd continue after calling him out on an obviously photoshopped driver's license is beyond me. Be weary all, scammers are going so far as to secure shipping in the US and photoshop government documents. Most of the scammers reported here are obvious, stupid, and not willing to put in ANY effort. Stay sharp and remember that some of these pro's will go all out to con you. I recently posted a deal here in WatchOut that I completely goofed on and it almost cost me a pretty penny. In dealing with forum members we sometimes get lackadaisical as the majority are good people...but there are still plenty snakes in the grass wherever there's a quick buck to be made. Scammers info: E-mail: allenmrsam@yahoo.com Alias: Mr. Sam Allen Mr. Allen Sam US Address: 649 Arnow Avenue Apt #1B Bronx, NY 10467 Latest IP: 41.155.54.136

20 June 2012, 11:35 AM	#5
brian8121 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Brian Location: NYC and San Fran Watch: 5960p+6262 Posts: 1,000	There's a Nigerian scam baiting website (right here: http://www.419eater.com/) where guys will just mess with the would-be scammers for weeks. It's pretty funny.

20 June 2012, 11:47 AM	#6
kekes7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: sydney Posts: 106	i remember when i got a scammer, played him for weeks, every time i was meant to sent him money someone would get sick, or die, or have an accident, which meant i would be delaying his payment. then at one stage i think i told him i was sick with medical bills and asked him to send ME money to help me out. hahaha.

20 June 2012, 12:22 PM	#8
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Thanks for some entertaining evening read, Matt. And you are right, we all need to stay frosty in this sport.

20 June 2012, 11:25 PM	#9
Bangel "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Australia Watch: 116610LN Posts: 15,802	Thanks for the reminder of what can lurk out there. Amusing, enlightening and frightening all at the same time!

21 June 2012, 04:55 AM	#13
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	He remains a scammer and people should always be careful with those dishonest guys, at least you noticed the obvious fishy situation... ...But still, I can't help but find this one very funny! __________________ Mon corps c'est un pays en guerre sur l'point d'finir, Le général de l'armée de terre s'attend au pire, J'ai faim, j'ai frette, je suis trop faible pour me lever debout, On va hisser le drapeau blanc un point c'est tout. - André Fortin

21 June 2012, 05:21 AM	#14
FNFZ4 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Alfred Location: DC Metro Watch: None Posts: 29,368	Amazing. They are getting more creative i guess __________________ NEED PC HELP? ASK HERE! Watches: Patek 5205G \| Patek 5167A \| 16613 Serti \| 116718 Green \| 216570 Black \| 16700 Pepsi Wish list: Patek 5726/1 \| AP RG Ceramic \| Patek 5712 \| Patek 5130

21 June 2012, 05:52 AM	#15
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	Wow. I'll be sure to be on the lookout.

22 June 2012, 09:24 AM	#16
boogiebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: canada Watch: me post! Posts: 3,804	hey matt glad you told this guy where to stick it.

22 June 2012, 12:02 PM	#17
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SUBMARINER Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,231	Not HERE!!!!!! __________________

22 June 2012, 03:17 PM	#18
cajunron 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ronnie Location: Southeastern USA Watch: Omega Seamaster PO Posts: 3,866	That's funny Matt. I love it. Another tell is when he dated the paper, he put the day before the month. (day/month/year) In the U.S., we do it differently. (month/day/year) __________________

22 June 2012, 03:37 PM	#19
Porsche 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: John Location: ɹǝpun Watch: and learn Posts: 2,986	Thanks for the reminder to be ever vigilant Matt __________________ Obey Gravity, it's the Law! ROLEX --- SEIKO --- HEUER TRF REHAUT T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M T H E R O L E X F O R U M

23 June 2012, 07:40 AM	#20
hsfrank "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Herbert Frank Location: Middletown,De Watch: President Posts: 1,641	Btw I checked the phone number for the address given. A nice lady Odessa O Crawford 649 Arnow Ave, Apt 1B Bronx, NY 10467-7012 (718) 653-4463 Age: 65+ Associated: Jason L Crawford Answered. SURPRISE. Sam Allen is unknown. __________________ Time and Tide wait for no man Rolex Cellini 4133 Tudor North Flag HERS: Rolex TTDJ

23 June 2012, 08:31 AM	#21
mboverst "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Dallas Posts: 1,683	Wow! Interesting find...I never thought to even call. I wonder what his plan to get the merchandise was??

23 June 2012, 08:36 AM	#22
Kringkily "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: George Location: New York Watch: Speedmaster, Rolex Posts: 3,082	probably have one of his other croonies wait for the mail man.

23 June 2012, 09:08 AM	#23
DCgator "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: PNW Watch: DS,BLNR,SubLV,DJ2 Posts: 8,123	Scumbag. Period.

23 June 2012, 10:07 AM	#24
Tan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Canada Watch: PP 5320G Posts: 1,259	What a loser.

23 June 2012, 10:58 PM	#25
rowdy "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Hamish Location: Adelaide Watch: Tudor Posts: 54	Haha! Gold! Nicely played sir.

24 June 2012, 11:43 AM	#26
handsfull "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: J Location: The great Midwest Watch: youlookinat? Posts: 2,369	Great thread! I love scammer shananigans....LOL!

23 July 2012, 05:22 PM	#27
A.Sharp "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New York City Posts: 2,062	Similar story just happened to me... I will post the correspondence on here tomorrow or the next day... Someone by the fake name Imogen Morgan, bought my watch 'now' on ebay, thus closing out the bidding. He had zero feedback and its my own fault that i didnt set it to not accept bids from those with zero feed back. anyway, he wrote me a message that he was in the UK, but wanted the watched shipped to his daughter in nigeria right away. I then received FAKE (verified by paypal and ebay -Spoof) messages from paypal saying the funds had cleared and it was safe for me to ship the watch. needless to say i knew this was fake the moment the guy said nigeria and when i checked my paypal and no such funds existed... __________________ A.Sharp "I can't listen to that much Wagner, ya know? I start to get the urge to conquer Poland."

23 July 2012, 09:46 PM	#28
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SUBMARINER Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,948	What a loser....Thaks for sharing!! This is also why I only deal with people I know and trust!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

23 August 2012, 07:56 AM	#29
JizJizJiz "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Zack Location: OC, SoCal Posts: 1,362	lol nice work Matt - reminds me of this: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/ __________________ Thank you, -Zack Ji 2FA on TRF enabled

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