Why The GMT IIc Is Not As Waterproof As The Sub !!

[Tools]

Water resistance, and the differences between different Rolex Oyster cases - it's all about the caseback.

Keeping in mind that cases are stamped from a solid piece of 904L Stainless Steel, and the center is also stamped out, concurrently, then the center stamp is further machined to become the caseback for it’s corresponding shell.

The cases of the Submariner (14060, 16610), the GMT II (16710, 116710), and the Explorer II (16570) are all generally the same. The difference is the cut out for the crown – with Triplock for the Submariner and GMT IIc, and Twinlock for the GMT/Explorer II, and final machining at the lugs for shape, and front and back sealing, rehaut, and bezel surfaces. They all share the same 2 mm thick crystal, as well as the crystal and caseback gaskets. The Triplock crown is designed to take 500 bars of pressure, and even though the Twinlock is not as massive, it can take an enormous pressure. When it comes to these models capabilities to take pressure, the real difference is the caseback. The Submariners have a thicker caseback at a respectable 1.51 mm compared to the ~ 0.75 - 0.90 mm of the GMT II/Explorer II. This difference becomes the weak point when handling pressure.

Regarding the GMT IIc, the watch itself has a thicker initial case size than the 16710, but looking at the case-back, it is much flatter against the case rather than being slightly “bubbled out” like the earlier GMT’s and the Sub. This gives the GMT IIc an assembled thickness of ~12mm, almost the same as a 16710 (11.95mm), whereas the Sub 16610 is still thicker at ~13mm, and the 14060M at 12.20mm (thinner non-date movement).

If you apply some rudimentary materials science on the crystal (at what pressure will the crystal crack), and on the caseback (at what pressure is deflection sufficient that the caseback touches the rotor) you will find that the Submariner is good for much more than its rated capability. In fact the caseback is so over-engineered that its margin is much more than twice the rated depth.

Now, since the only real differences between those models are the crown (which is not really the weak point at all) and the caseback; it is fair to say that the pressure capability of the Explorer II and the GMT II depends on the caseback. And even though the case back is roughly half the thickness of the Submariners it is likely still good for a much higher pressure than the rated 100 meters.

It is also worth noting that all 36mm and 40mm models share the same 2mm thick crystal (with the exception of the Sea-Dweller). The 36mm models also have the same thickness of the caseback as the GMT II/Explorer II.

Here are some actual measurements of case back thickness provided by Vanessa and taken by me using a Vernier micrometer and converting to mm:

GMT Master 16750 - 0.72mm
Explorer II 16570 - 0.90mm
Daytona 116520 - 0.96mm
Submariner 16610 - 1.51mm (more than twice the thickness of the old GMT)
Lady's DJ (older) 69174 - 0.50mm
Lady's DJ (newer) 79174 - 0.49mm
Gent's DJ (older) 16013 - 0.75mm
Gent's DJ (newer) 16233 - 0.81mm


Given this simple reasoning it should be easy to see that any Rolex Oyster is capable of taking a pressure much higher than its rating, and much more than any recreational diver will ever go down to. If you do an annual pressure test, or at least every two years, of your Rolex you can go diving with any model.

Of course, the Triplock offers better safety when it comes to leakage through the crown. But what one seldom thinks about is the fact that there is still only one gasket between the crown tube, and the case.

By the way: All models are tested by Rolex to 125% of their rated capability.

This is what Rolex themselves said in an ad for the Acrylic crystal models, and since the only difference now is the material, and even better gaskets the facts should still apply. (Let’s assume that Rolex did use real facts in this test.)

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Contributors:
acce1999
Vanessa
Ironstark

[Orchi]

Err buddy Larry...thanks for sharing your excellence findings...

[YuppieKid]

educational read.

[Deeper]

This is great info. Thanks!

[Perdu]

Excellent read and thank goodness the measurements are in mm. Fractions of an inch confuse me totally.

[Flaxmoore]

Originally Posted by Tools

The Triplock crown is designed to take 500 bars of pressure, and even though the Twinlock is not as massive, it can take an enormous pressure.

500 bar? You mean 5000 meters or 17,000 feet? Whoa.

[rimakis]

Would it be possible to swich out a twinlock on the old GMT and put in a triplock?

George

[HYDROMAROC]

I like the price on the right hand side... Can't make out the one for the SS but the gold version looks like $1400.00 in 1972...

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by HYDROMAROC

I like the price on the right hand side... Can't make out the one for the SS but the gold version looks like $1400.00 in 1972...

Well, I'll tell you, it's definitely less than a Rolex service today!

[1000ftSub]

[Stan Cooper]

Originally Posted by HYDROMAROC

I like the price on the right hand side... Can't make out the one for the SS but the gold version looks like $1400.00 in 1972...

I think it's $285 in January, 1972. By August, 1973, it was $385. The 18k gold version was $2,000 in August, 1973.

[plat-numb]

What are the differences in the 16610's and a 16622?

They are rated @ 300 and 100... But have the same 3135 movement and a trip lock crown?

Curious as to what your thoughts on this are.

[Dreamer]

[iberjan]

I was wondering about that. Thank you.

[rmcarlton]

Thanks, Larry for the info! Good stuff.

[drefrank]

Great info. I've got a bit more respect for my Sub after reading the above.

[icnbne]

great read mate, thanks for the education

[miamiman]

would that crystal have shattered if it was glass instead of acrylic when they did the pressure test .???

[JJ Irani]

Bravo, Larry......the above is absolutely top class information!!

Would you happen to know the actual thickness of the GMT-IIC caseback? And, if so, would it be safe for me to assume that the YG caseback of the GMT-IIC would have the same thickness as the SS one?

Many thanks - JJ

[cody p]

good to know.

[JBat]

Great info, Larry, and very interesting.

[bandityo]

yes thank!

david

[fisk]

Thanks for sharing

[Nick1959]

Thanks still learning

[Alexus]

thanks for sharing that great info

[inspires]

Fantastic info - I always learn something when I log on TRF

[david6]

Thanks so very much! Larry and the other contributors
Great learning material from experts.
Could I quote your useful materials in some HK forum to share with other Rolex watch lovers here?
Just let me know and I'll 100% respect your decision.
Cheers

[Puffy]

Interesting read.

[TheBluePrince]

Just read this. Great research and investigation, thanks for sharing.

[dama156]

great info< thanks