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EdwardC · 21 July 2024, 05:39 AM

I love both AP and Zenith. The only watch that was never sold by AP in 2023 looks great and probably unobtainable even if it's a regular production piece.

The zenith on the other hand is much more accessible yet look very much alike. I love them both anyway - but is this a coincidence or literally an inspiration from one brand to another?

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EdwardC · 21 July 2024, 05:39 AM

Here's the zenith defy skyline white cermaic skeleton

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rolexpatek363 · 21 July 2024, 09:02 AM

Christopher Ward?

WatchEater666 · 21 July 2024, 09:24 AM

Everyone copies everyone. Maybe the RO is somewhat inspired by the OG defy, we will never know.

Personally I don't love white ceramic in person. It doesn't look great.

Black ceramic however, is awesome. Zenith has the defy in ceramic which is pretty sexy but the Hublot integral is an even better value. Same price used except with a chronograph. Same parent co.

ap1 · 21 July 2024, 10:46 AM

I have the black skellie and wear it often. I feel the blue pvd won’t age well. Its a VERY comfy watch

rajurama · 21 July 2024, 02:59 PM

I own the Defy21 in full ceramic bracelet and trust me the level of finishing on the ceramic bracelet and case done by Zenith is on par of AP full ceramic any version which will be marked at multiples of Zenith list price. So much more value to buy Zenith.

rajurama · 21 July 2024, 03:13 PM

Defy 21IMG20201111141857.jpg

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EdwardC · 21 July 2024, 03:52 PM

I held a full ceramic AP royal oak before, and also a black Zenith full cermaic. I also feel the level of finishing is not that far off. The AP probably has a more complicated polishing finish on the bracelet. But becsuse of the material I really can't say it can be appreciated as much as gold or steel. I'll be just happy with a zenith especially knowing it's a fraction of the price and the movement is probably more reliable.

John Doyle · 21 July 2024, 04:27 PM

The Zenith looks much better though

enjoythemusic · 21 July 2024, 10:12 PM

Or go higher end and get this :)

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1William · 21 July 2024, 11:26 PM

Cool watches but not for me.

adamegret · 22 July 2024, 07:29 AM

I think no problem to go for the zenith at all. Especially since that AP is literally on no one’s radar.

Bazil · 22 July 2024, 07:33 AM

And some say a Daytona is hard to read the time off ..

21 July 2024, 05:39 AM	#1
EdwardC 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Pacific Posts: 3,592	Is this trying too hard or just happen to think alike? I love both AP and Zenith. The only watch that was never sold by AP in 2023 looks great and probably unobtainable even if it's a regular production piece. The zenith on the other hand is much more accessible yet look very much alike. I love them both anyway - but is this a coincidence or literally an inspiration from one brand to another? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 July 2024, 09:02 AM	#3
rolexpatek363 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: up a hill Posts: 1,968	Christopher Ward? __________________ 5513 - 16610 - 114300 (x2)

21 July 2024, 02:59 PM	#6
rajurama "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: Wakanda Watch: amacallit Posts: 2,077	I own the Defy21 in full ceramic bracelet and trust me the level of finishing on the ceramic bracelet and case done by Zenith is on par of AP full ceramic any version which will be marked at multiples of Zenith list price. So much more value to buy Zenith. __________________ रोलेक्स

21 July 2024, 03:13 PM	#7
rajurama "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: Wakanda Watch: amacallit Posts: 2,077	Defy 21IMG20201111141857.jpg Sent from my CPH1979 using Tapatalk __________________ रोलेक्स

21 July 2024, 10:12 PM	#10
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 20,824	Or go higher end and get this :) 2.jpeg __________________ __________________ Love timepieces and want to become a Watchmaker? Rolex has a sensational school. www.RolexWatchmakingTrainingCenter.com/ Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

21 July 2024, 09:24 AM	#4
WatchEater666 Banned Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,940	Everyone copies everyone. Maybe the RO is somewhat inspired by the OG defy, we will never know. Personally I don't love white ceramic in person. It doesn't look great. Black ceramic however, is awesome. Zenith has the defy in ceramic which is pretty sexy but the Hublot integral is an even better value. Same price used except with a chronograph. Same parent co.

21 July 2024, 10:46 AM	#5
ap1 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,475	I have the black skellie and wear it often. I feel the blue pvd won’t age well. Its a VERY comfy watch

21 July 2024, 03:52 PM	#8
EdwardC 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Pacific Posts: 3,592	I held a full ceramic AP royal oak before, and also a black Zenith full cermaic. I also feel the level of finishing is not that far off. The AP probably has a more complicated polishing finish on the bracelet. But becsuse of the material I really can't say it can be appreciated as much as gold or steel. I'll be just happy with a zenith especially knowing it's a fraction of the price and the movement is probably more reliable.

21 July 2024, 04:27 PM	#9
John Doyle "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: US Posts: 718	The Zenith looks much better though

21 July 2024, 11:26 PM	#11
1William 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,293	Cool watches but not for me.

22 July 2024, 07:29 AM	#12
adamegret "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2024 Location: HK Posts: 31	I think no problem to go for the zenith at all. Especially since that AP is literally on no one’s radar.

22 July 2024, 07:33 AM	#13
Bazil 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Real Name: Bazil Brush Location: Star Gazing Watch: Any Daytona Posts: 3,457	And some say a Daytona is hard to read the time off .. __________________ *One day, it just stops ticking, so enjoy every second* If you have no enemies, you have no character. Taking a stand always creates opposition. Paul Newman *Being Serious = Onto the list you go*

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