Does the Tudor Breitling partnership help or hurt one more than the other?

[Chewbacca]

I’m kinda 49/51 on this.

I like both brands about the same but I’ve heard the Breitling chronos are on par with even Rolex and the Tudor MT calibre is just above a elaboré level ETA.

Maybe Bas can shed light on the techs but I think this could be a win for Breitling.

[sportsfan0704]

Going for the record of most threads started in a day I see lol

I don’t think it makes a difference. Both brands are what they are at this point.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by sportsfan0704

Going for the record of most threads started in a day I see lol

I don’t think it makes a difference. Both brands are what they are at this point.

Let’s just say I’m looking for that ‘meaningful’ thread engagement some here say doesn’t exist anymore or shouldn’t be threatened.

Good point btw.

[sportsfan0704]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Let’s just say I’m looking for that ‘meaningful’ thread engagement some here say doesn’t exist anymore or shouldn’t be threatened.

Good point btw.

A very noble cause and a nice reprieve from “should I go grey?” And “just saw dummy watches not for sale, anyone else see this?” Posts.

[donas]

Originally Posted by sportsfan0704

Going for the record of most threads started in a day I see lol

It's the old throw "stuff" against the wall and see what sticks theory. Let's just say his arm will get tired of throwing before is does cleaning the wall

[kieselguhr]

Helps both out if anything. Developing movements is very costly I hear.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Helps both out if anything. Developing movements is very costly I hear.

It is.

And I think Rolex is a bit hand tied where Tudor isn’t.

If Rolex supplied ebauches it would be a R&D and nefarious purpose nightmare I’d think.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

It is.

And I think Rolex is a bit hand tied where Tudor isn’t.

If Rolex supplied ebauches it would be a R&D and nefarious purpose nightmare I’d think.

Well even Rolex used ebauche movements for many years from ETA Valjoux and Zenith and now very much sort after. And models like the vintage ETA Valjoux powered chronographs, and Moonphase now fetch crazy money.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well even Rolex used ebauche movements for many years from ETA Valjoux and Zenith and now very much sort after. And models like the vintage ETA Valjoux powered chronographs, and Moonphase now fetch crazy money.

There were ahead of their time as supplier for sure. But today I doubt they’d supply anyone. Tudor, definitely. Maybe even beyond Breitling.

[JSolution]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well even Rolex used ebauche movements for many years from ETA Valjoux and Zenith and now very much sort after. And models like the vintage ETA Valjoux powered chronographs, and Moonphase now fetch crazy money.

Did you just mention rolex and money in the same sentence Peter

[Brew]

I like the idea, enabling each to focus its resources where most would consider each’s sweet spot. But which, if either, is actually being helped/hurt? No clue.


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[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Brew

I like the idea, enabling each to focus its resources where most would consider each’s sweet spot. But which, if either, is actually being helped/hurt? No clue.


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I agree.

I thing there’s a certain strategic freedom at Tudor which Rolex couldn’t cultivate.

[Brew]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

I agree.

I thing there’s a certain strategic freedom at Tudor which Rolex couldn’t cultivate.

When you’re trying to portray your brand as exclusive, it’s probably not good to share your movements.


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[JSolution]

Originally Posted by Brew

When you’re trying to portray your brand as exclusive, it’s probably not good to share your movements.


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I agree with this. Loved the Tudor chrono when I tried it on but there was a nagging feeling that I was annoyed it had a breitling movement in it / even though I own breitlings and they’re great movements.

A loss for both sides I guess from my perspective.

[BNA/LION]

I've sent this question to Rolex... and they will be calling you to discuss!

*REPORTED*

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

I've sent this question to Rolex... and they will be calling you to discuss!

*REPORTED*

Good. If they find me I’ll ask why I can’t buy a Rolex online.

[ks58]

Can you post any links? I wasn’t really familiar about their partnership.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by ks58

Can you post any links? I wasn’t really familiar about their partnership.

No links.

Just Google it under NEWS and articles will pop.

[Farsh14]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

No links.

Just Google it under NEWS and articles will pop.

FAKE NEWS. Googled and nothing came up when searching the two names. I saw a 2017 article about a partnership. So is chewy rehashing old news?

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Farsh14

FAKE NEWS. Googled and nothing came up when searching the two names. I saw a 2017 article about a partnership. So is chewy rehashing old news?

Jeebus. 🤦*♂️

[dannyp]

This would up-level both brands if it meant no more ETAs. More importantly, it would limit reliance on their biggest collective competitor’s (Omega) parent company for movements.

[GBD]

I think it's great for both brands. Tudor gets a sweet chrono movement, and Breitling gets a sweet 70hr time-only movement. Win-win, imo.

[TheVision]

My past daily wear was a Breitling chrono superocean for 4.5 years. Built like a tank and even after all these years, running cosc (no service). Just sold it recently.

When it comes to chrono dials, Breitling is the king (not to mention their dial work is very detailed with polished accents/indices).

[superpop]

Had a Breitling B1 for several years and loved it. It died after around 4 years and I returned it to Costco for my money back. Went to a SOH and then a B50. Breitling quartz are really cool but not at all reliable. Mine were constantly at Breitling for warranty work. The SOH was marvelous, I just got tired of it.

[subdownunder]

I really don't think that the origin of the movement is even a consideration for the Tudor or Bretling target audiences for these watches.

[DJ2020]

Considering each company's limited choices to aquire quality movements it was a smart move in my opinion. ETA no longer sells there movements to either brand. All of Tudors non in house movements like the 1926, glamor and black bay (non 58's) and all of Breitling's B17, B13 etc. Have been Sellita movements for more than 3 years.

To improve quality in the weak winding assembly Breitling does modify them to reduce failure rates, Tudor has not and my local repair center is full of them for warranty work. By Tudor creating the own 3 and 4 hand movements has greatly improved accuracy and dependability. Breitling's B01 is a mechanical marvel and I would put it up against ANY chronograph movement.

So Tudor using the B01 and Breitling using Tudors 3 hand movements is a win win for both companies. I personally hope to see either Breitling using the Tudor movements in all there 3 hand movements or develop there own. Tudor may do the same on there chronograph movements. Time will tell. Each manufacturer being as independent as possible is the only way to avoid broken relationships in the future and will make each brand stronger.

[TudorTommy]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Considering each company's limited choices to aquire quality movements it was a smart move in my opinion. ETA no longer sells there movements to either brand. All of Tudors non in house movements like the 1926, glamor and black bay (non 58's) and all of Breitling's B17, B13 etc. Have been Sellita movements for more than 3 years.

To improve quality in the weak winding assembly Breitling does modify them to reduce failure rates, Tudor has not and my local repair center is full of them for warranty work. By Tudor creating the own 3 and 4 hand movements has greatly improved accuracy and dependability. Breitling's B01 is a mechanical marvel and I would put it up against ANY chronograph movement.

So Tudor using the B01 and Breitling using Tudors 3 hand movements is a win win for both companies. I personally hope to see either Breitling using the Tudor movements in all there 3 hand movements or develop there own. Tudor may do the same on there chronograph movements. Time will tell. Each manufacturer being as independent as possible is the only way to avoid broken relationships in the future and will make each brand stronger.

Very informative! Most Breitlings just do not appeal to me, however I do believe they are great watches. Wasn't sure how I felt about the partnership, but if what you say is true (no reason not to believe it!) the fact that each brand is sharing the best of what they have to help each other then I'm on board.

Would Like to see more Tudor in house movements though! Sadly it is a very complicated process.

[Yas.2k]

Breitling chronos are on par with rolex? Are they?

[Maxy]

Originally Posted by Yas.2k

Breitling chronos are on par with rolex? Are they?

Not all Breitling chronos has their in-house movement. Breitling B01 movement is said to even better than Daytona and the reason is simple. It was made in modern era and had Daytona in reference. Rolex chrono movement was made in 1992 whereas Breitling B01 was made just in 2009 and many say it is better than the old Rolex movement. It performs great and has huge number of watches using B01. The cheaper Breitling chronos still use ETA chronograph movement.. only the expensive ones use B01.

[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by Maxy

Not all Breitling chronos has their in-house movement. Breitling B01 movement is said to even better than Daytona and the reason is simple. It was made in modern era and had Daytona in reference. Rolex chrono movement was made in 1992 whereas Breitling B01 was made just in 2009 and many say it is better than the old Rolex movement. It performs great and has huge number of watches using B01. The cheaper Breitling chronos still use ETA chronograph movement.. only the expensive ones use B01.

The current Daytona is powered by the 4130 movement that debuted in the reference 116520 circa 2000. In 1992 Rolex was still using a modified Zenith movement in the Daytona.
You are correct that the B01 is more recent, although the 4130 has had some incremental improvements along the way.