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Gaijin · 10 March 2010, 03:15 PM

If you were on a SS Daytona list and some customer comes in and offers cash and circumvents the whole thing. Imagine that you are # 1 on the list and somebody comes in ( not mentioning any names) and scoops up your SS Daytona by calling around , finding one and then rushing down there with a fistfull of cash.

This happened to me at my old AD. I was " # 1" on the list and two SS Daytonas went out the side door without me being notified. A former employee of the AD that I ran into at my gym told me the good news. Something to the effect " Gaijin, there have been 2 SS Daytonas come and gone since you were told that you were next on the list."

I went straight to the owner and we had a heart to heart. I told him I knew what he had done and that me and the $150,000 worth of business that his store had generated through my purchases and referalls would be directed to another AD if I did not have a SS Daytona in 30 days.

I had one 1 week later.

What good is a list if somebody comes in and hijacks it? Yes I know you have to blame the AD as well. However I think it is wrong to call around and slide in taking a SS Daytona from someone who may have been waiting patiently for a year or more.

Rant off.

Yazo · 10 March 2010, 03:23 PM

It is....what it is man. Sorry for your troubles.

galloman · 10 March 2010, 03:27 PM

it's the AD's fault. It is deceiving of them to rise up your hopes by consenting to follow a list that is nonexistent.

It is incumbent upon the dealer to secure that this list is honored. It is not the customer's responsibility to inquire whether they allocate their Daytonas in any particular order.

Even if the customer were to nag about circumventing said list, it prevails the dealer's responsibility to keep his word.

Wildwing · 10 March 2010, 03:28 PM

Reminds me of the old saying: No man's credit is as good as his money.

ParisDakarBmw · 10 March 2010, 03:46 PM

What's the point of a list if they don't use it?

Clogger · 10 March 2010, 04:09 PM

Gaijin, yes I would be pissed.

However I think all the blame is on the AD, They should have contacted you as soon as a Daytona entered the store.

The fact they did it twice sucks even further, I don't hold anything against the people that bought the watch, in my eyes they did nothing wrong really.

These lists seem a complete waste of time in most cases.

Glad you now got your Daytona.

hhh007 · 10 March 2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Clogger

Gaijin, yes I would be pissed.

However I think all the blame is on the AD, They should have contacted you as soon as a Daytona entered the store.

The fact they did it twice sucks even further, I don't hold anything against the people that bought the watch, in my eyes they did nothing wrong really.

These lists seem a complete waste of time in most cases.

Glad you now got your Daytona.

Exactly! In addition, it's interesting that the former employee thought so little of his former employer as to freely give you that info. I'm also pretty sure that Rolex would like to know about how this "AD" is treating his clients in an honest and ethical manner!

wanasub · 10 March 2010, 04:27 PM

The man seeking out the Daytona and paying with cash was merely clever and resourceful. The unethical actions were ALL on the ad's side. That aside, congratulations on brilliant timepiece!!! Enjoy it.

Singslinger · 10 March 2010, 04:32 PM

I think the AD has more to answer for than the two people who bought the watches ahead of you. Anyway, all's well than ends well - congrats on getting the watch you wanted and enjoy!

Gaijin · 10 March 2010, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

What's the point of a list if they don't use it?

Exactly.

I guess I am directing this at people who know that there is a list and then cut in line. Would piss you off at a train station and would really piss you off when waiting for your grail Daytona to come it.

1000ftSub · 10 March 2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

What's the point of a list if they don't use it?

indeed

nko51 · 10 March 2010, 10:04 PM

Sounds like the buyer offered him a premium price for the watch.

Strut99GT · 10 March 2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nko51

Sounds like the buyer offered him a premium price for the watch.

Even if that's the case the OP should have been given a call to buy the watch at that premium price first. He was first in line.

Watchman1957 · 10 March 2010, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaijin

If you were on a SS Daytona list and some customer comes in and offers cash and circumvents the whole thing. Imagine that you are # 1 on the list and somebody comes in ( not mentioning any names) and scoops up your SS Daytona by calling around , finding one and then rushing down there with a fistfull of cash.

This happened to me at my old AD. I was " # 1" on the list and two SS Daytonas went out the side door without me being notified. A former employee of the AD that I ran into at my gym told me the good news. Something to the effect " Gaijin, there have been 2 SS Daytonas come and gone since you were told that you were next on the list."

I went straight to the owner and we had a heart to heart. I told him I knew what he had done and that me and the $150,000 worth of business that his store had generated through my purchases and referalls would be directed to another AD if I did not have a SS Daytona in 30 days.

I had one 1 week later.

What good is a list if somebody comes in and hijacks it? Yes I know you have to blame the AD as well. However I think it is wrong to call around and slide in taking a SS Daytona from someone who may have been waiting patiently for a year or more.

Rant off.

You gave the guy 30 days? That is 28 days more than I would have given them. I would never spend my hard earned cash anywhere it was not appreciated.

layne · 10 March 2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaijin

However I think it is wrong to call around and slide in taking a SS Daytona from someone who may have been waiting patiently for a year or more.

I agree that the AD did wrong in letting 2 Daytonas go elsewhere after letting you know you were sitting at No.1.
I totally disagree with the statement that it is wrong for someone to call around asking for it and offer cash. If anybody's integrity is to be questioned in this scenario it is that of the AD.

limenko · 10 March 2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by layne

I agree that the AD did wrong in letting 2 Daytonas go elsewhere after letting you know you were sitting at No.1.
I totally disagree with the statement that it is wrong for someone to call around asking for it and offer cash. If anybody's integrity is to be questioned in this scenario it is that of the AD.

X2 Completely agree with this statement, nothing wrong with people hunting...unscrupulous ADs not honouring the list that they created on the other hand...

Jackxv · 10 March 2010, 07:57 PM

I think it was no OK from the AD..., but in harsh times a quick $20000 on the cash register with a 30/35% profit could be the rent or a few employees salary.

I don't think it is OK but it's understandeble because a lot of the waiting list people won't come and buy.

I think he did a good job getting it for you in 30 days.

Jack

Gaijin · 10 March 2010, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackxv

I think it was no OK from the AD..., but in harsh times a quick $20000 on the cash register with a 30/35% profit could be the rent or a few employees salary.

I don't think it is OK but it's understandeble because a lot of the waiting list people won't come and buy.

I think he did a good job getting it for you in 30 days.

Jack

Ok. I agree. I get it. But if someone is #1 on the list why not give them a call and let them know giving them a chance to yea or nay it. Even if someone comes in and offers to buy it. Give your loyal customer a shot before selling it. If the customer balks then maybe. I never got that chance because two slid out the door.

wrxsti · 10 March 2010, 04:41 PM

Times are r tough and your ad just wanted to make a quick buck and hoped no one would find out. Why buy at your ad when the prices here are even better!

Gaijin · 10 March 2010, 05:04 PM

This happened to me a few years ago when SS Daytonas were very hard to get from an AD. They still are somewhat hard to get... I now have two SS Daytonas. One modern White and one Zenith Black.

I see it happening in stories here as well and it kinda fries me that some people who are WIS would sneak in on one another.

This does not let the AD off the hook by any means.

jdrolltide3838 · 10 March 2010, 05:20 PM

was it a forum member?

CorruptedSanity · 10 March 2010, 08:04 PM

Why would your AD not sell it to you?
Let's assume he got it in today,he calls you, you come in tomorrow or the day after and pay.
That's a guaranteed sale. Maybe he doubted you would buy/pay for it and thus chose to sell it to someone else?

I've been "that guy" many times. Ill do the same thing but will usually suggest the shop call the person who its on hold for first.
If an item is "on hold" its likely that the person doesn't want it,otherwise it would not be on hold right?

Gaijin · 10 March 2010, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorruptedSanity

Why would your AD not sell it to you?
Let's assume he got it in today,he calls you, you come in tomorrow or the day after and pay.
That's a guaranteed sale. Maybe he doubted you would buy/pay for it and thus chose to sell it to someone else?

I've been "that guy" many times. Ill do the same thing but will usually suggest the shop call the person who its on hold for first.
If an item is "on hold" its likely that the person doesn't want it,otherwise it would not be on hold right?

As much as I asked about it and dropped money there, they had no doubt I wanted it and had the money to buy it.

It is great of you to suggest that the AD call their next cutomer first. You are a good man.

JMIND · 11 March 2010, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaijin

As much as I asked about it and dropped money there, they had no doubt I wanted it and had the money to buy it.

It is great of you to suggest that the AD call their next cutomer first. You are a good man.

They were simply wrong to treat you that way. You should consider finding another who appreciates your business and you as a person.

HL65 · 10 March 2010, 09:47 PM

A lot of the SS Daytonas go out the back door to friends of AD's. IT is what it is--You got one at least--so Congrats!

OTE200 · 10 March 2010, 10:02 PM

I'm curious as to whether the AD had to go and jump some other waiting list to get you your Daytona??

rolexsubdate · 10 March 2010, 10:43 PM

The only rule is: Money talks .... Show me the money ....
buyers on a list backout all the time ... nothing is certain except when a guy walks in with a bag full of cash ... he is putting his money where his mouth is ....he is telling you how serious he is by showing you that pot of $$ or by smacking the AD on the head with that pot of $$ ....those who do not do that are a fantasy ... a promise that means nothing....words mean nothing ....

snow_rocks · 10 March 2010, 10:45 PM

You figured out a better way to get what you wanted!

brainbizz · 10 March 2010, 10:56 PM

SS Daytonas have always typically gone to the ADs best customers thats life. If that is what happened it sucks but that is the game like it or not. It makes absolutely no sense that they would sell one to someone just bc they had cash. The list comes into play if none of the VIPs want the watch typically. I think there is more to it than someone just showing up w cash.

Casey VP-26 · 11 March 2010, 12:13 AM

When this happened to me, the excuse was well he is the owners Nephew! I would bet this is going on all the time just to few finding out about it. Congratulations on your new purchase.

10 March 2010, 10:04 PM	#12
nko51 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Alex Location: USA Watch: TT Blue Sub Posts: 2,542	Sounds like the buyer offered him a premium price for the watch. __________________

10 March 2010, 07:57 PM	#17
Jackxv "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 969	Yeah I think it was no OK from the AD..., but in harsh times a quick $20000 on the cash register with a 30/35% profit could be the rent or a few employees salary. I don't think it is OK but it's understandeble because a lot of the waiting list people won't come and buy. I think he did a good job getting it for you in 30 days. Jack

10 March 2010, 04:41 PM	#19
wrxsti "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 1,695	Times are r tough and your ad just wanted to make a quick buck and hoped no one would find out. Why buy at your ad when the prices here are even better! __________________ PP Geneva

10 March 2010, 09:47 PM	#25
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,702	A lot of the SS Daytonas go out the back door to friends of AD's. IT is what it is--You got one at least--so Congrats! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

10 March 2010, 03:15 PM	#1
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,179	Would you be upset ? If you were on a SS Daytona list and some customer comes in and offers cash and circumvents the whole thing. Imagine that you are # 1 on the list and somebody comes in ( not mentioning any names) and scoops up your SS Daytona by calling around , finding one and then rushing down there with a fistfull of cash. This happened to me at my old AD. I was " # 1" on the list and two SS Daytonas went out the side door without me being notified. A former employee of the AD that I ran into at my gym told me the good news. Something to the effect " Gaijin, there have been 2 SS Daytonas come and gone since you were told that you were next on the list." I went straight to the owner and we had a heart to heart. I told him I knew what he had done and that me and the $150,000 worth of business that his store had generated through my purchases and referalls would be directed to another AD if I did not have a SS Daytona in 30 days. I had one 1 week later. What good is a list if somebody comes in and hijacks it? Yes I know you have to blame the AD as well. However I think it is wrong to call around and slide in taking a SS Daytona from someone who may have been waiting patiently for a year or more. Rant off.

10 March 2010, 03:23 PM	#2
Yazo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,812	It is....what it is man. Sorry for your troubles.

10 March 2010, 03:27 PM	#3
galloman "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Alejandro Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 185	it's the AD's fault. It is deceiving of them to rise up your hopes by consenting to follow a list that is nonexistent. It is incumbent upon the dealer to secure that this list is honored. It is not the customer's responsibility to inquire whether they allocate their Daytonas in any particular order. Even if the customer were to nag about circumventing said list, it prevails the dealer's responsibility to keep his word.

10 March 2010, 03:28 PM	#4
Wildwing "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 593	Reminds me of the old saying: No man's credit is as good as his money.

10 March 2010, 03:46 PM	#5
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	What's the point of a list if they don't use it?

10 March 2010, 04:09 PM	#6
Clogger Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SE Asia Watch: SS Sub Date Posts: 431	Gaijin, yes I would be pissed. However I think all the blame is on the AD, They should have contacted you as soon as a Daytona entered the store. The fact they did it twice sucks even further, I don't hold anything against the people that bought the watch, in my eyes they did nothing wrong really. These lists seem a complete waste of time in most cases. Glad you now got your Daytona.

10 March 2010, 04:27 PM	#8
wanasub "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Jonathan Location: wisconsin Posts: 386	The man seeking out the Daytona and paying with cash was merely clever and resourceful. The unethical actions were ALL on the ad's side. That aside, congratulations on brilliant timepiece!!! Enjoy it.

10 March 2010, 04:32 PM	#9
Singslinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: singapore Posts: 6,424	I think the AD has more to answer for than the two people who bought the watches ahead of you. Anyway, all's well than ends well - congrats on getting the watch you wanted and enjoy!

10 March 2010, 05:04 PM	#20
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,179	This happened to me a few years ago when SS Daytonas were very hard to get from an AD. They still are somewhat hard to get... I now have two SS Daytonas. One modern White and one Zenith Black. I see it happening in stories here as well and it kinda fries me that some people who are WIS would sneak in on one another. This does not let the AD off the hook by any means.

10 March 2010, 05:20 PM	#21
jdrolltide3838 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: J.D. Location: Roll Tide, AL Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 695	was it a forum member?

10 March 2010, 08:04 PM	#22
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	Why would your AD not sell it to you? Let's assume he got it in today,he calls you, you come in tomorrow or the day after and pay. That's a guaranteed sale. Maybe he doubted you would buy/pay for it and thus chose to sell it to someone else? I've been "that guy" many times. Ill do the same thing but will usually suggest the shop call the person who its on hold for first. If an item is "on hold" its likely that the person doesn't want it,otherwise it would not be on hold right?

10 March 2010, 10:02 PM	#26
OTE200 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Australia Watch: 14270 Explorer Posts: 108	I'm curious as to whether the AD had to go and jump some other waiting list to get you your Daytona??

10 March 2010, 10:43 PM	#27
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	The only rule is: Money talks .... Show me the money .... buyers on a list backout all the time ... nothing is certain except when a guy walks in with a bag full of cash ... he is putting his money where his mouth is ....he is telling you how serious he is by showing you that pot of $$ or by smacking the AD on the head with that pot of $$ ....those who do not do that are a fantasy ... a promise that means nothing....words mean nothing ....

10 March 2010, 10:45 PM	#28
snow_rocks Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: At what TIME?!!! Watch: the SKY tonite! Posts: 3,225	You figured out a better way to get what you wanted!

10 March 2010, 10:56 PM	#29
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	SS Daytonas have always typically gone to the ADs best customers thats life. If that is what happened it sucks but that is the game like it or not. It makes absolutely no sense that they would sell one to someone just bc they had cash. The list comes into play if none of the VIPs want the watch typically. I think there is more to it than someone just showing up w cash.

11 March 2010, 12:13 AM	#30
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,702	When this happened to me, the excuse was well he is the owners Nephew! I would bet this is going on all the time just to few finding out about it. Congratulations on your new purchase.

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