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koronet-kid · 11 January 2008, 02:12 AM

Do any of you guys know if the bezel on the new model GMT II just pops off like it does on a sub. I used to take the bezels off my subs or sea dwellers from time to time to clean behind them. I am a bit nervous to try and pop mine off. any links or suggestions welcome.

regards sean

SPACE-DWELLER · 11 January 2008, 02:37 AM

I have heard of an incident reported by a fellow member here where the ceramic bezel simply fell off by just handling it during an purchase inspection at the AD.

Anyway, here is a drawing of the construction of the ceramic bezel:

I for my part would NOT try taking the bezel off, unless you know what you're doing. I would take the GMT IIc to your AD and the watch maker do it for you. Maybe he is kind and shows you how it is done, and later you can do it yourself if you need to.

YuppieKid · 11 January 2008, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

I have heard of an incident reported by a fellow member here where the ceramic bezel simply fell off by just handling it during an purchase inspection at the AD.

Anyway, here is a drawing of the construction of the ceramic bezel:

I for my part would NOT try taking the bezel off, unless you know what you're doing. I would take the GMT IIc to your AD and the watch maker do it for you. Maybe he is kind and shows you how it is done, and later you can do it yourself if you need to.

Gedanken · 11 January 2008, 02:42 AM

By the look of the diagram, the ceramic bezel could even be a little bit less risky to take off than the old one, since there's no hairspring to be lost.

Ironstark · 11 January 2008, 05:11 AM

In the diagram posted by Space-Dweller, at the bottom you see what looks like a thin black (but is actually white in real life) washer. This synthetic washer, similar to the ones which hold the sapphire crystals on, MUST be replaced every time the bezel is removed otherwise the security of the bezel cannot be relied upon. Thats what may have caused the bezel to fall off in the AD`s if they removed and then put it back on the bezel without replacing the washer.
Do not remove the bezel unless you are able to get a replacement.
Hope this helps.

koronet-kid · 11 January 2008, 05:26 AM

many thanks ironstark for advice. will not remove it my self.

regards sean

jordo9998 · 11 January 2008, 06:40 AM

are the inserts just glued or stuck on to the bezel itself? How does rolex attach the inserts?
can one remove their insert more than onces and keep re attachting it?

bjsonline · 11 January 2008, 09:56 AM

Insert cannot be removed other than by a special tool that only Rolex Service centers have.

Here is a scan of the underside of the bezel.

The cost of a new insert is over GBP 600.00

K

BuffaloRolex · 11 January 2008, 10:19 AM

Very interesting pic. Thanks for sharing.

Ironstark · 12 January 2008, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsonline

Insert cannot be removed other than by a special tool that only Rolex Service centers have.
The cost of a new insert is over GBP 600.00

Are you sure the pictured bezel component is from a GMTII bezel assembly?
It does look like part of the bezel assembly for the YMII.
It does`nt match any of the components shown in the diagram above. I have had to remove bezels from both of these watches in the past.
£600 for the insert is not right, thats closer to the price for the complete bezel.
The ceramic inserts are, like the previous generation a friction fit and push out from behind.
The retail price for the ceramic insert for a SS GMTII is £375 ($734) + plus applicable taxes in your country.
The retail price for the bezel complete for a SS GMTII is £676 ($1324) + plus applicable taxes in your country.
Prices quoted are from Rolex material dept as of today.
Pretty pricey, huh. So all of you GMT II ceramic owners out there be careful with your watches!!!!
It will certainly make me think twice about changing the insert when the two colour versions become available. (even with my staff discount!!!!)

bjsonline · 12 January 2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironstark

Are you sure the pictured bezel component is from a GMTII bezel assembly?
It does look like part of the bezel assembly for the YMII.
It does`nt match any of the components shown in the diagram above. I have had to remove bezels from both of these watches in the past.
£600 for the insert is not right, thats closer to the price for the complete bezel.
The ceramic inserts are, like the previous generation a friction fit and push out from behind.
The retail price for the ceramic insert for a SS GMTII is £375 ($734) + plus applicable taxes in your country.
The retail price for the bezel complete for a SS GMTII is £676 ($1324) + plus applicable taxes in your country.
Prices quoted are from Rolex material dept as of today.
Pretty pricey, huh. So all of you GMT II ceramic owners out there be careful with your watches!!!!
It will certainly make me think twice about changing the insert when the two colour versions become available. (even with my staff discount!!!!)

Yes its from a GMT Ceramic. Here are some more scans.

koronet-kid · 12 January 2008, 08:11 PM

Hi Ironstark so I guess from what you put in your threard a two colour ceramic bezel is on its way?

regards sean

SPACE-DWELLER · 12 January 2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironstark

Are you sure the pictured bezel component is from a GMTII bezel assembly?
It does look like part of the bezel assembly for the YMII.
It does`nt match any of the components shown in the diagram above. I have had to remove bezels from both of these watches in the past.
£600 for the insert is not right, thats closer to the price for the complete bezel.
The ceramic inserts are, like the previous generation a friction fit and push out from behind.
The retail price for the ceramic insert for a SS GMTII is £375 ($734) + plus applicable taxes in your country.
The retail price for the bezel complete for a SS GMTII is £676 ($1324) + plus applicable taxes in your country.Prices quoted are from Rolex material dept as of today.
Pretty pricey, huh. So all of you GMT II ceramic owners out there be careful with your watches!!!!
It will certainly make me think twice about changing the insert when the two colour versions become available. (even with my staff discount!!!!)

Damn! Now I don't dare wearing my SS GMT IIc anymore!

Anyway, only on rare occasions do you need to exchange the whole bezel, and the bezel insert on its own seems to cost 76 £.

jordo9998 · 11 January 2008, 10:51 AM

Thank you! so they are not glued or stuck on? they are actually attached?

jordo9998 · 11 January 2008, 10:53 AM

600.00 pounds!? for a new insert!? that is about $800 USD!!! that cannot be right

kkwn98 · 11 January 2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordo9998

600.00 pounds!? for a new insert!? that is about $800 USD!!! that cannot be right

That's correct, it isn't right: based on current exchange rates, £600 is just over $1,200

teo · 11 January 2008, 11:15 AM

Insert cannot be removed? So even if rolex come out with a pepsi or coke ceramic insert no one can change the insert. Maybe this is to prevent changing of insert by somebody. Ceramic is quite brittle if we try to pop the insert out or in we may break the insert.

jordo9998 · 11 January 2008, 11:26 AM

Okay people, you mean to tell me that these thin metal inserts like the one in my two tone sub is $1,200.00 i'm sorry but that cannot be correct. no way. it's almost the price of a bracelet... that insert cost's nothing to make... no one has ever paid that much to get their insert changed for a new one... maybe 200 or 300 bucks but that's the top...

Alcan · 11 January 2008, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordo9998

Okay people, you mean to tell me that these thin metal inserts like the one in my two tone sub is $1,200.00 i'm sorry but that cannot be correct.

It isn't. We're discussing the ceramic insert on the GMT II C.

Jedi · 11 January 2008, 05:04 PM

Jordo, the topic is about the ceramic bezel and everyone was talking pretty much about the ceramic bezel

Your metal insert would cost substantially less yes. I have 3 Rolex with metal inserts in the bezel and they would cost around US200 or so to replace at the RSC.

bjsonline · 11 January 2008, 07:09 PM

We are talking about the New Ceramic Inserts. These are GBP 600.00 each, and that is just the insert alone not including the bezel.

The normal plastic inserts are GBP 35.00.

Also the numbers on the ceramic inserts have platinum inlay.

BTW, Rolex are to introduce the Pepsi Ceramic insert and they have solved the problems of "bleeding" betewen the colours.

K

Ironstark · 12 January 2008, 11:44 PM

No idea wheather the two colour inserts will be available or not (nothing offical announced at all) just hoping.

Bo, much as I`d like the insert alone to cost £76 it does`nt it costs (just for the insert!!remember) £375 ($734) plus taxes!!!!!!

SPACE-DWELLER · 13 January 2008, 01:04 AM

Well, I phoned my AD and he couldn't verify any of those prices. He actually told me that no one knows the prices, yet. But maybe it is just he who doesn't know.

Ironstark · 13 January 2008, 01:29 AM

As I said the prices I quoted are directly from material/parts department of the Rolex affilliate I work for as of yesterday. They are the retail prices and are NOT including the applicable taxes wherever you happen to live.
Also I was told that the inserts (for the SS version anyway) will not be available for a number of months.

11 January 2008, 02:12 AM	#1
koronet-kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: John Location: AT HOME Watch: deep-sea Comex Posts: 680	Ceramic Bezel Removal Do any of you guys know if the bezel on the new model GMT II just pops off like it does on a sub. I used to take the bezels off my subs or sea dwellers from time to time to clean behind them. I am a bit nervous to try and pop mine off. any links or suggestions welcome. regards sean

11 January 2008, 02:37 AM	#2
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I have heard of an incident reported by a fellow member here where the ceramic bezel simply fell off by just handling it during an purchase inspection at the AD. Anyway, here is a drawing of the construction of the ceramic bezel: I for my part would NOT try taking the bezel off, unless you know what you're doing. I would take the GMT IIc to your AD and the watch maker do it for you. Maybe he is kind and shows you how it is done, and later you can do it yourself if you need to. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

11 January 2008, 02:42 AM	#4
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	By the look of the diagram, the ceramic bezel could even be a little bit less risky to take off than the old one, since there's no hairspring to be lost. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

11 January 2008, 09:56 AM	#8
bjsonline Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 25	Insert cannot be removed other than by a special tool that only Rolex Service centers have. Here is a scan of the underside of the bezel. The cost of a new insert is over GBP 600.00 K Attached Images

13 January 2008, 01:04 AM	#23
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Well, I phoned my AD and he couldn't verify any of those prices. He actually told me that no one knows the prices, yet. But maybe it is just he who doesn't know. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

11 January 2008, 05:11 AM	#5
Ironstark TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rolex world Watch: SS/W Skydweller Posts: 527	In the diagram posted by Space-Dweller, at the bottom you see what looks like a thin black (but is actually white in real life) washer. This synthetic washer, similar to the ones which hold the sapphire crystals on, MUST be replaced every time the bezel is removed otherwise the security of the bezel cannot be relied upon. Thats what may have caused the bezel to fall off in the AD`s if they removed and then put it back on the bezel without replacing the washer. Do not remove the bezel unless you are able to get a replacement. Hope this helps.

11 January 2008, 05:26 AM	#6
koronet-kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: John Location: AT HOME Watch: deep-sea Comex Posts: 680	many thanks ironstark for advice. will not remove it my self. regards sean

11 January 2008, 06:40 AM	#7
jordo9998 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 118	are the inserts just glued or stuck on to the bezel itself? How does rolex attach the inserts? can one remove their insert more than onces and keep re attachting it?

11 January 2008, 10:19 AM	#9
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,330	Very interesting pic. Thanks for sharing.

12 January 2008, 08:11 PM	#12
koronet-kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: John Location: AT HOME Watch: deep-sea Comex Posts: 680	Hi Ironstark so I guess from what you put in your threard a two colour ceramic bezel is on its way? regards sean

11 January 2008, 10:51 AM	#14
jordo9998 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 118	Thank you! so they are not glued or stuck on? they are actually attached?

11 January 2008, 10:53 AM	#15
jordo9998 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 118	600.00 pounds!? for a new insert!? that is about $800 USD!!! that cannot be right

11 January 2008, 11:15 AM	#17
teo "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: amk Posts: 792	Insert cannot be removed? So even if rolex come out with a pepsi or coke ceramic insert no one can change the insert. Maybe this is to prevent changing of insert by somebody. Ceramic is quite brittle if we try to pop the insert out or in we may break the insert.

11 January 2008, 11:26 AM	#18
jordo9998 Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 118	Okay people, you mean to tell me that these thin metal inserts like the one in my two tone sub is $1,200.00 i'm sorry but that cannot be correct. no way. it's almost the price of a bracelet... that insert cost's nothing to make... no one has ever paid that much to get their insert changed for a new one... maybe 200 or 300 bucks but that's the top...

11 January 2008, 05:04 PM	#20
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	Jordo, the topic is about the ceramic bezel and everyone was talking pretty much about the ceramic bezel Your metal insert would cost substantially less yes. I have 3 Rolex with metal inserts in the bezel and they would cost around US200 or so to replace at the RSC.

11 January 2008, 07:09 PM	#21
bjsonline Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 25	We are talking about the New Ceramic Inserts. These are GBP 600.00 each, and that is just the insert alone not including the bezel. The normal plastic inserts are GBP 35.00. Also the numbers on the ceramic inserts have platinum inlay. BTW, Rolex are to introduce the Pepsi Ceramic insert and they have solved the problems of "bleeding" betewen the colours. K

12 January 2008, 11:44 PM	#22
Ironstark TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rolex world Watch: SS/W Skydweller Posts: 527	No idea wheather the two colour inserts will be available or not (nothing offical announced at all) just hoping. Bo, much as I`d like the insert alone to cost £76 it does`nt it costs (just for the insert!!remember) £375 ($734) plus taxes!!!!!!

13 January 2008, 01:29 AM	#24
Ironstark TechXpert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rolex world Watch: SS/W Skydweller Posts: 527	As I said the prices I quoted are directly from material/parts department of the Rolex affilliate I work for as of yesterday. They are the retail prices and are NOT including the applicable taxes wherever you happen to live. Also I was told that the inserts (for the SS version anyway) will not be available for a number of months.

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