Who would have thought the 5167 is now or starting to be double the retail price....

[SL BRABUS]

If a 5711 can sell double the retail price so do the 5167 too...

I didn't know until Tim Mosso mention on his latest video that on the secondary market for the 5167 is starting to trade at $40,000.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGdRVdrldiU

Click above on his youtube video & start at 32.00 regarding about the 5167 price....^^^....

I check the secondary market overseas in Asian country the 5167 are selling over $40,000 for preowned & over $50,000 for NIB....

WoW... Just WoW....!!!

[wisguy]

Yep

I bought one new only 4 years ago for $18.3k and then used prices were in the $16s, I let it go last year when prices where starting to rise.\\

Made some money of course, but man I wish I knew where this was going.

Those were the days!

[theflywrist]

Originally Posted by wisguy

Yep

I bought one new only 4 years ago for $18.3k and then used prices were in the $16s, I let it go last year when prices where starting to rise.\\

Made some money of course, but man I wish I knew where this was going.

Those were the days!

Yep. I remember when I got my 5711 some years ago, people didn't want the aqua because it was the cheapest entry level sports PP.. Still remember one in Singapore offered to me at $15K. 5711s at 23-24 all day..
How times have changed.

[Nephro]

Originally Posted by theflywrist

Yep. I remember when I got my 5711 some years ago, people didn't want the aqua because it was the cheapest entry level sports PP.. Still remember one in Singapore offered to me at $15K. 5711s at 23-24 all day..
How times have changed.

I had a chance to get an Aquanaut about 4 or 5 yrs ago at Kirk Freeport in Grand Cayman while on a cruise vacation. We were kind of rushed and the watch didn’t really sing to me. What was worse is that my wife was shocked I was remotely interested in the watch until I told her it was a Patek. She didn’t like the look at all. The same thoughts you posted about “cheap and entry level” also influenced my thinking. In the end I think I made the right decision as the watch didn’t pull my heart strings and I’ve never sold any of my watches and never plan to so the value proposition doesn’t come into play for me. Now getting a SS Patek at retail will be a nearly impossible situation so I guess I did have my brief window. Oh well, first work problems.

[clintfca]

5164A is heading in the same direction as well, averaging 50K used as of this moment.

I purchased mine back in 2015, double sealed, list minus double digit discount. It was really that unpopular back then but I loved it (and still do)


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[Sam Philip]

Originally Posted by clintfca

5164A is heading in the same direction as well, averaging 50K used as of this moment.

I purchased mine back in 2015, double sealed, list minus double digit discount. It was really that unpopular back then but I loved it (and still do)


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Even in 2017 5164A was readily available with a double digit discount.

[Codik]

Originally Posted by Sam Philip

Even in 2017 5164A was readily available with a double digit discount.

In 2018 I was offered a 5164a immediately as an alternative to waiting for a 5167a. Guess who said no thanks?

[singe89]

5164a seemed to have skyrocketed overnight. Got one for my buddy a year ago for mid $30s and saw them creep up to low $40s. Was texting last night with him and looks to be high $50s now and saw a NIB asking $70k...WTF?

[sensui]

Scary and strange times we live in. Really makes you examine your own collection hard.

[Fat_ninja]

I only have one recommendation...


Buy buy buy

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I only have one recommendation...


Buy buy buy

After being in Japan and seeing the sheer number of entry level steel rolexes I will agree with the Ninja here. Not a single Steel AP or Nautilus or modern Aquanaut sighted yet.

We all want what we can’t have

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

After being in Japan and seeing the sheer number of entry level steel rolexes I will agree with the Ninja here. Not a single Steel AP or Nautilus or modern Aquanaut sighted yet.

We all want what we can’t have

If you still in Japan how is the secondary market price on the Aquanaut and Nautilus....??

Please share with us if you have a chance to check it out....

Thanks buddy.....

[Aquaman]

Originally Posted by bearxj86

After being in Japan and seeing the sheer number of entry level steel rolexes I will agree with the Ninja here. Not a single Steel AP or Nautilus or modern Aquanaut sighted yet.

We all want what we can’t have

got to ask, did you do any sightseeing or work, or was you just looking at wrists?

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Aquaman

got to ask, did you do any sightseeing or work, or was you just looking at wrists?

If he went to Kabukicho or Amsterdam it would only be his own.

[Aquaman]

[QUOTE=AK797;9750057]If he went to Kabukicho or Amsterdam it would only be his own. [/QUOTE

If your in Amsterdam it shouldn't be your wrists doing the work

[JVM]

When I bought my 5167 three years ago, 10% off from an AD seemed to be the going rate and you could get one within a month or two. I'm still not convinced that these watches are really trading for anywhere near the asking prices. I'm curious to know if anyone has recently sold a NIB 5167 or 5711 to one of the larger grey dealers. I would think that would give you a pretty good idea of the actual prices end-users are paying right now.

Stainless Royal Oak and ROC's seem to running 10-20% over MSRP right now, and I have a feeling those are going to be the next pieces to really spike to some silly numbers.

[brockburst]

Originally Posted by JVM

When I bought my 5167 three years ago, 10% off from an AD seemed to be the going rate and you could get one within a month or two. I'm still not convinced that these watches are really trading for anywhere near the asking prices. I'm curious to know if anyone has recently sold a NIB 5167 or 5711 to one of the larger grey dealers. I would think that would give you a pretty good idea of the actual prices end-users are paying right now.

Stainless Royal Oak and ROC's seem to running 10-20% over MSRP right now, and I have a feeling those are going to be the next pieces to really spike to some silly numbers.

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

[WatchLurv]

Originally Posted by brockburst

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

If a 5980/1R trades for 210K on Chrono24, it goes for 195K on the real market. Rough adjustment, but that's as close to reality it is.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

If a 5980/1R trades for 210K on Chrono24, it goes for 195K on the real market. Rough adjustment, but that's as close to reality it is.

Worst part is that's because everyone knows the untold truth that the 5980/1R is going to be discontinued early next year. A new beastly 1R will be released at Basel.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Superburrito

With Nautilus prices where they are, I'm not surprised at all by 5167 pricing. Same movement as the 5711 at a fraction of the price. If you want a sporty current model Patek, this is the cheapest option. Watchbox just sold a used 5167 for $40k after being listed for one day.

I suspect the 5164 will be the next big mover.

I'm sure Watchbox sold it around $38K.......

Watchbox are playing by the rule..... They are charging sale tax.....

The person that bought the watch is pay $40K out of the door......

Originally Posted by brockburst

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

Just like a two year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $40K.....

Again, one year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $50K

Again, six mouths ago people saying 5711 are not trading $60K

Now as today the asking price for 5711 is $70K....... Then of course the 5711 are not trading $70K.....

Maybe in real life I could get a 50% discount form the gray.....??

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

I'm sure Watchbox sold it around $38K.......

Watchbox are playing by the rule..... They are charging sale tax.....

The person that bought the watch is pay $40K out of the door......





Just like a two year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $40K.....

Again, one year ago people saying 5711 are not trading $50K

Again, six mouths ago people saying 5711 are not trading $60K

Now as today the asking price for 5711 is $70K....... Then of course the 5711 are not trading $70K.....

Maybe in real life I could get a 50% discount form the gray.....??

Hilarious and true. If people don't want to believe something no amount of evidence will convince them.
I have one question: the posters who don't believe the high prices, are they owners of 5167s and 5711s, or wannabe owners?

[Keldw]

Originally Posted by brockburst

Agree, they aren't trading at $40k, just like 5712's aren't trading at $110k. Chrono24 is not real life.

I know a 2016 5167 just sold for $37K, so not really far from

[SL BRABUS]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=686358

......^^^..... Saw this....^^^... Look like the preowned are selling double the retail in the US....

And my guess for NIB would be in the $45K.....??

[Watchesnyc106]

Any idea what the 5167 Tiffany stamped ones are trading for? I’ve heard 2-2.5x market!?? Insanity


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[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by Watchesnyc106

Any idea what the 5167 Tiffany stamped ones are trading for? I’ve heard 2-2.5x market!?? Insanity


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I check and there only one seller......

He asking $98,000 for a preowned 5167 Tiffany stamped.......

I bet you even you were to low baller offer for 50% off his asking price he still don't sell it and you be getting this......

[jag32]

This is disgusting.

[rollyp]

I find this really hard to believe considering there are tons available in the low to mid $30K range. Dealers have an agenda to uphold. Let's not perpetuate the lunacy here.

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by rollyp

I find this really hard to believe considering there are tons available in the low to mid $30K range. Dealers have an agenda to uphold. Let's not perpetuate the lunacy here.

Yeah, that what I thought.....^^^.....

Unfortunately the watch game has change......

Low to mid $30K range for the preowned 5167 is the whole sale price that the gray are buying..... I check the secondary market overseas in Asian country......

Overseas in Asian country, it seem to be in high demand and there a shortage.....

I check here in the TRF forum, none of our well known trusted dealer here in the USA have one for sale.....

I hate to say this but if someone were to buy it at a low to mid $30K range, hurry up and buy it because it will be hitting the $40K plus mark real soon......

[SL BRABUS]

Originally Posted by clintfca

5164A is heading in the same direction as well, averaging 50K used as of this moment.

I purchased mine back in 2015, double sealed, list minus double digit discount. It was really that unpopular back then but I loved it (and still do)


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Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Since the nautilus has gone up this far it is only natural progression that the aquanaut has too.

I remember my 5164R had a 15K premium to it. We are looking at 20-25K now and it's only been 3 months since I bought it.



15400 (& now 15500) & 15202 has been running on Premium for 2 years...Only recently the premium has been noticeable.

Originally Posted by singe89

5164a seemed to have skyrocketed overnight. Got one for my buddy a year ago for mid $30s and saw them creep up to low $40s. Was texting last night with him and looks to be high $50s now and saw a NIB asking $70k...WTF?

Originally Posted by AK797

5164 was too much for me, as a premium over the 67, at a deeply discounted £20K, now it's over £50K.

Regarding the 5164 is going for crazy money too.....

Me think this is the new norm that the every Aquanaut and Nautilus regardless which models you pick, will be selling or try to sell at a double the retail price on the secondary market.....

[Aquaman]

Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

Regarding the 5164 is going for crazy money too.....

Me think this is the new norm that the every Aquanaut and Nautilus regardless which models you pick, will be selling or try to sell at a double the retail price on the secondary market.....

Don't start looking at the 5968 prices then, as they are more than double also