Green Submariner

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by freefly

Wow, some seriously bad (and potentially expensive) info/advice in this thread, IMO.

OP: Do NOT "throw it in the trash" as suggested by some here.
The folks proclaiming this as 100% fake really need to pump the brakes a bit with their definitive proclamations (and "knowledge"), IMO.

Yes, it is obviously not an original 16610LV. The dial and bezel insert are clearly fake, and it's an older lug-hole Sub.

However, apart from that, the pics I am seeing are not even remotely good enough to judge the authenticity of rest.
Could it be a complete fake? Possibly. Really though, besides the dial and insert, nothing jumps out as "fake" to me.
Again, the pics aren't good enough to make that determination, IMO.

Further, it is very common to see 5-digit Subs franken'd into LV clones with dial & bezel insert swaps.
Tons of genuine Subs out there with green junk dials/inserts to make them look like LVs on the secondary market.

Originally Posted by freefly

It happens every day. Just peruse eBay for green Subs and you'll likely see plenty. In fact, there are grey-market sellers/dealers that make doing so their entire business model/focus.
They will buy clapped out older Subs and install junk dials and bezel inserts, give them a quick polish, and re-sell. Then they will sell the genuine dials and bezel inserts as an addiotnal revenue stream.

Typically the frankens will be blue dials with blue bezel inserts (to mimic a Smurf Sub), or green dials with green bezel inserts (to mimic an LV Sub).
You will see numerous 16613 Subs with fake Serti dials out there as well. People get duped all the time, but the "less shady" sellers will at least disclose the aftermarket parts (even if it is in the fine print).

Glad you are back Buddy, your expertise is really appreciated!