32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Easy E]

Fantastic analysis. Thanks

[Endoscopist]

I have a 124060 that I bought in spring of 2021 and it was keeping perfect time (maybe +1-2spd) probably up to 6m-1y ago when I noticed it all of a sudden started to lose time. I have used Watchtracker and it appears to, as of this week, be -10spd. I am disappointed, but I am not sure if I will send to RSC immediately or just wait it out a while longer... it seems like they "fix" it but the problem may recur.

[JMGoodnight369]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

I have a 124060 that I bought in spring of 2021 and it was keeping perfect time (maybe +1-2spd) probably up to 6m-1y ago when I noticed it all of a sudden started to lose time. I have used Watchtracker and it appears to, as of this week, be -10spd. I am disappointed, but I am not sure if I will send to RSC immediately or just wait it out a while longer... it seems like they "fix" it but the problem may recur.

I’d send it in sooner than later. At least then you’d have some time left on the warranty to see if it happens again

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

I have a 124060 that I bought in spring of 2021 and it was keeping perfect time (maybe +1-2spd) probably up to 6m-1y ago when I noticed it all of a sudden started to lose time. I have used Watchtracker and it appears to, as of this week, be -10spd. I am disappointed, but I am not sure if I will send to RSC immediately or just wait it out a while longer... it seems like they "fix" it but the problem may recur.

for sure at -10 I would send in. If your stated location is correct you are right by the LI City RSC. That's where 32s go. Get it in, should take about 4 weeks.

Good luck.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

I have a 124060 that I bought in spring of 2021 and it was keeping perfect time (maybe +1-2spd) probably up to 6m-1y ago when I noticed it all of a sudden started to lose time. I have used Watchtracker and it appears to, as of this week, be -10spd. I am disappointed, but I am not sure if I will send to RSC immediately or just wait it out a while longer... it seems like they "fix" it but the problem may recur.

I would also send it in now for repair BUT I would also buy a timegrapher (if you don't own one) to measure the caliber before and after RSC repair. A Weishi (model 1900) timegrapher is about 150-200 $ only!

[Endoscopist]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I would also send it in now for repair BUT I would also buy a timegrapher (if you don't own one) to measure the caliber before and after RSC repair. A Weishi (model 1900) timegrapher is about 150-200 $ only!

I have a Weishi :)
I will throw it on the timegrapher tonight and report the findings

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

I have a Weishi :)
I will throw it on the timegrapher tonight and report the findings

Can you do some measurements along the power reserve, i.e., after full winding at t = 0 and then every 12 hours? Interesting to see what the isochronism of a 32xx caliber with (very) negative rates is. Read #4708 for description of caliber isochronism.

[Endoscopist]

Originally Posted by Easy E

for sure at -10 I would send in. If your stated location is correct you are right by the LI City RSC. That's where 32s go. Get it in, should take about 4 weeks.

Good luck.

Yes, I am in Brooklyn, there is a RSC in NYC that I was thinking of taking it to.

I guess -10 is a bit too far off, the watch is basically out of COSC spec, forget about -2/+2...

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

Yes, I am in Brooklyn, there is a RSC in NYC that I was thinking of taking it to.

I guess -10 is a bit too far off, the watch is basically out of COSC spec, forget about -2/+2...

Likely, latest 24 hours after full winding the 3 vertical amplitudes are below 200 degrees, which is outside Rolex specs.

[Endoscopist]

On timegrapher fully wound:

-10s/d average
Amplitude 215
0.4ms
52deg

Send it in?


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[saxo3]

Lift angle is 53°

[Endoscopist]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

On timegrapher fully wound:

-10s/d average
Amplitude 215
0.4ms
52deg

Send it in?


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Seems like my amplitude is lower than expected, but I am mostly concerned that my sub is well out of cosc specs


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

Seems like my amplitude is lower than expected, but I am mostly concerned that my sub is well out of cosc specs

No, why?

[Endoscopist]

Originally Posted by saxo3

No, why?

Well regardless of amplitude, it’s-10s/d


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

Well regardless of amplitude, it’s-10s/d

You did not understand what I posted in #4723. For a movement with an average rate of -10 s/d the amplitude is NOT lower than what is to be expected. One does expect a low 32xx amplitude for such a negative rate (after full winding).

Originally Posted by Endoscopist

On timegrapher fully wound:
-10s/d average
Amplitude 215
0.4ms
52deg

Your numbers are (kind of) meaningless because one would report the amplitudes and rates as a function of watch position (dial up, dial down, 3up, 6 up, 9 up) and measure with 53 degrees, which slightly increases all amplitude values. Are the 215 degrees a 5-position average value or for one specific position?

What are the amplitudes and rates measured 24 hours after full winding?

Good luck.

[Easy E]

Just an update. New watch, running fine. Had a series of trades that involved an outgoing LV to one dealer for a straight trade and an incoming LV from another dealer for a 3 to one straight trade. Very convoluted, but it worked out just the way I wanted. So, I now have a January 2024 dated, unworned LV. Here is how it starts life in the Easy Box.

[swexlin]

Originally Posted by Russm535il

I purchased a Tudor Pelagos with the in house movement ( A Great accurate timepiece) and blue dial instead of a Sub a few years ago
because of the problems with the 3200 movement. Has Rolex addressed the problem at all ? Has the issue been fixed with new Rolex’’s purchased in 2024 ? What movement and years was the previous movement produced perhaps I will look for a preowned Sub .A slow running movement would really bother me and I am shocked that Rolex has let the issue go on so long . My 1984 Rolex Datejust ( purchased new in 1984 ) is amazing only running fast about 20-30 seconds a month �� Thank you all ! Russ

Interestingly enough, I just took my Tudor GMT (purchased 2/2022) in to my AD today to send in for warranty, started loosing 10-12 spd. This came on suddenly, as from new has always run +1 or 2 daily. The 32xx Movements of Rolex are not the only watches with this issue.

On on full wind on the Weishi, face up, it would show -5 or 6.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Just an update. New watch, running fine. … So, I now have a January 2024 dated, unworned LV. Here is how it starts life in the Easy Box.

Thanks for the update. A 32xx watch from 01/2024 is very interesting to study new out of the box.
Did you set the watch before the first timegrapher measurement?
At what time exactly did you take the two measurements on 08.02. and 09.02.?

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks for the update. A 32xx watch from 01/2024 is very interesting to study new out of the box.
Did you set the watch before the first timegrapher measurement?
At what time exactly did you take the two measurements on 08.02. and 09.02.?

Yes, I did set it. Both sets were taken at 10am(started) - the timegrapher is at my office currently.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Yes, I did set it. Both sets were taken at 10am(started) - the timegrapher is at my office currently.

I think you understand why I asked

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I think you understand why I asked

Fairly certain I do. Just to make sure, that is to remove any pressure on the date wheel from the equation, yes?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Fairly certain I do. Just to make sure, that is to remove any pressure on the date wheel from the equation, yes?

[htrap2294]

Honestly, I have a bad feeling about these 32xx movements in terms of long-term longevity. You know how we see watches from 30-40 years ago? I don't see how that is going to be possible with 32xx movements if Rolex doesn't find a permanent fix and warranty their faulty movements.

[Evgtok]

what do you think, is this issue caused by design and cannot be fixed easily or by production and may be fixed by changing the assembly process?

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by Evgtok

what do you think, is this issue caused by design and cannot be fixed easily or by production and may be fixed by changing the assembly process?

That's my opinion, yes. Why else would they have not found a fix yet? I bet this issue will be forgotten when the next generation of movements is released and I bet that the next generation comes sooner rather than later due to this issue.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by htrap2294

That's my opinion, yes. Why else would they have not found a fix yet? I bet this issue will be forgotten when the next generation of movements is released and I bet that the next generation comes sooner rather than later due to this issue.

Or they know the fix but already made 10 million of these movements and won't spend profit preemptively fixing something few will notice.

[htrap2294]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Or they know the fix but already made 10 million of these movements and won't spend profit preemptively fixing something few will notice.

That is also a valid point!


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[joli160]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Or they know the fix but already made 10 million of these movements and won't spend profit preemptively fixing something few will notice.

True and probably much worse if it becomes widespread knowledge that the 32 series movements are just duds.
Imagine the brand damage if Rolex would do a call back, better for them is to shut up and that’s exactly what they do.

[saxo3]

I'm looking forward to some interesting timegrapher data (along the PR) from:

- Endoscopist: 124060 (spring 2021)
- Easy E: 126710BLNR (07/2019)
- Easy E: 126610LV (01/2024)

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I'm looking forward to some interesting timegrapher data (along the PR) from:

- Endoscopist: 124060 (spring 2021)
- Easy E: 126710BLNR (07/2019)
- Easy E: 126610LV (01/2024)

BLNR forthcoming