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Is AP the market?
Is a swift trough the same as market collapsing? No. 🤣
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Let’s look at the facts.
1- anything over 15K is not moving quickly unless it’s a hype piece 2- even hype pieces are falling fast. 116500 black dial for 19-21k and 15500 going for 34k and Pepsis for 116710BLRO 16k range now 3- the market has turned and all those covid millionaires and travel restrictions and lock downs have gone away and crypto included is getting beaten up, so the money is being held onto by YES Speculators and the NEW watch guys. 4- AP is a more boutique brand still and a higher price point. It also doesn’t have the flex factor the average Joe Schmo can get for half the price with a Rolex. 5- let’s talk about the mistakes AP has made. - To many women’s models launching weekly - To many variations in the ROs they need to dial it back and focus on what the loyal customers want. Some kind of limit needs to happen - now we have 20 versions of open works WTF and lots of them are 37mm new drops WTH why not make more of the Open works we are all begging for (AKA my wifey does NOT want and Openwork!) |
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All well thanks my friend. I certainly will keep posting but only as and when I have the time in between hoovering up special pieces from distressed/over-levered sellers! That’s a full time job at the moment.
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The poster you quoted about the collapsing market was clearly referring to AP. I'm out of this thread - sorry I responded to the OP, won't make that mistake again.
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Haha, I've little to no doubt that the hoovering up is going rather well ![]() |
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Hi Guys sorry for the confusion my account was hacked , I haven't posted in a long time , looks I might have clicked a pic or something , now my account has been restored. As you can see in my post history I don't post about market , prices etc. , and haven't posted anything about AP since 2020 i think. Thanks and sorry for the confusion. My last post was on may 2023 , so all those recents posts are not mine. If a moderator can please delete this post under my name I'll appreciate it. |
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It's been interesting to see the more expensive pieces holding out strong but nevertheless they are going down. Sport Patek's have been holding steady recently relative to the drop in the Jumbo for example. A heavily beat up 15202 just sold for under $40.. Good examples of like new 15202's in the mid 45's. Granted these were purchased before the price increases but they're getting a lot closer to msrp. 15202OR is also selling for a few grand over current msrp. Can't be said for the 5712/1R for example or many of the other Patek Sports.
Part of me wonders if it's just the type of person that is holding them knows since there aren't a lot produced they are holding out hoping prices maybe go up if the rumor discontinuation goes through. Once the 16202 was announced I feel the 15202 price went back down drastically. Besides a handful of us on here who really care about the brand cannot many can spot the difference between the two when looking close up. |
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Interesting numbers I haven’t seen before. Helpful info for once on these price investment threads, lol. Thanks for the post ! I would be fun to dive deeper but from this limited data , I would deduce that Rolex probably has the lowest beta (if we want to compare to volatility / stock terms ). While Patek and AP have taken a bigger hit recently this is expected with a more volatile security. But also, they could have the biggest uptick if the economy could improve. They grey market prices are definitely tempting right now. I’m trying to hold off buying grey until after the election as I think that will determine which way prices will trend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It is also the comparative value or relative value to other brands people consider, given a price point. For example if you had 40k to spend what are your options? Which AP's, Rolex, Patek's, Independents etc. It depends on how much value you see in the watch. I personally think you can get a lot more "Oomph" out of 40k with a Patek then an AP right now. Dont ask me what "Oomph" means lol. I think AP has too high of prices which all happened in the last 5 years. At retail, you're significantly better off buying a Patek or Rolex then AP. Lets also think, in 5 years would rather have a Patek or Rolex or AP? Patek and Rolex are timeless yet maybe less fun or interesting. AP is much more current and focuses on popular trends which maybe not popular or interesting in 5 years.
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And if we’re talking secondary 40k in AP can get you a neo vintage perpetual calendar chronograph…
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![]() I agree with this and compared especially to Patek sports models this makes very good sense |
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Nothing like taking things too literally and then making exaggerated statements while getting worked up. Nothing beats the interweb ![]() Nice discussion in this forum / thread though (sans the random one offs of course) |
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I love the 16202st BTW the thinness is something else. The big rotor spinning so close the case back is incredible. Ive always loved the jumbo, it my fav AP of all time. |
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I love the Calatravas. To be fair your paying 40k for the bracelet with a Royal Oak. |
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