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Old 11 December 2020, 11:02 AM   #91
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Kermit Flat 4. The only thing is that condition is important as many of the pre ceramic Kermits are quite heavily worn.
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Old 11 December 2020, 11:49 AM   #92
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Thanks but Hulk is also very collectible on par with Kermit, isn’t it?

I don’t think so. A flat 4 Kermit will always win.

A Hulk will catch my eye.

A steel watch in old days is more collectible than a silver watch.

I don’t make the rules.
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Old 11 December 2020, 02:03 PM   #93
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I don’t think so. A flat 4 Kermit will always win.

A Hulk will catch my eye.

A steel watch in old days is more collectible than a silver watch.

I don’t make the rules.
What is a silver watch?
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Old 11 December 2020, 02:44 PM   #94
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Kermit was produced from 2003 to 2010 and Hulk was produced from 2010 to 2020.

I think Kermit is collectible due to the shorter production run.
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Old 11 December 2020, 03:12 PM   #95
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Hulk preferred, but Kermit has far fewer numbers produced, so Kermit!


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Old 11 December 2020, 03:21 PM   #96
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Kermit was produced from 2003 to 2010 and Hulk was produced from 2010 to 2020.

I think Kermit is collectible due to the shorter production run.
But you never know what is the total quantity produced.
We can’t make a conclusion from the timeframe
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Old 11 December 2020, 03:41 PM   #97
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Yhe original 16610LV
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Old 11 December 2020, 03:46 PM   #98
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But you never know what is the total quantity produced.
We can’t make a conclusion from the timeframe
You are correct, we don't know the total numbers produced and we will never know

However Hulk was readily available in the AD windows until 2015/2016 and Kermit was only available in AD windows towards the end of production in 2009/10
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Old 11 December 2020, 04:21 PM   #99
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Production numbers has little to do with value and collectibility. Case in point is the 168000. Made for 9 months not 9 years and can still be had for the price of a new mass produced sub. Another example is the 16760 produced for 5 years and while more than new GMTs still below grey market BLRO prices.

I think flat 4 value was and will be diminished due to Rolex putting flat 4 bezels on as service bezels. So I’ll cast my vote for Hulk. Will be interesting.


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Old 11 December 2020, 05:58 PM   #100
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As a hulk owner I would love to think hulk would be more collectible, but I would guess the original 16610LV will be the collectible one. It is the only maxi dial in a 5 digit case. It was the 50th anniversary model.


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Old 11 December 2020, 06:50 PM   #101
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Production numbers has little to do with value and collectibility. Case in point is the 168000. Made for 9 months not 9 years and can still be had for the price of a new mass produced sub. Another example is the 16760 produced for 5 years and while more than new GMTs still below grey market BLRO prices.

I think flat 4 value was and will be diminished due to Rolex putting flat 4 bezels on as service bezels. So I’ll cast my vote for Hulk. Will be interesting.


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Do they put flat 4 bezels during service?
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Old 11 December 2020, 06:52 PM   #102
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As a hulk owner I would love to think hulk would be more collectible, but I would guess the original 16610LV will be the collectible one. It is the only maxi dial in a 5 digit case. It was the 50th anniversary model.


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My argument is Hulk is the 60 anniversary model, introduced 10 years later after Kermit.
60th is more complete in timepiece because 1 hour has 60 minutes. 1 min comprises 60 seconds.

The only one who can answer for the collectibility query is Time
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Old 11 December 2020, 07:12 PM   #103
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Kermit: as it’s the original 50th Anniversary Edition, less produced than Hulk, more collectible in future and will be the first to be vintage before Hulk






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Old 11 December 2020, 07:34 PM   #104
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Hulk. My rationale is that I love the 116610LV and don't like the 16610LV. I won't collect a watch I don't like. Your mileage may vary.
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Old 11 December 2020, 10:00 PM   #105
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Old 11 December 2020, 11:09 PM   #106
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The 16610LV is the one & only 50th Anniversary Submariner , enough said .
It’s also rattly and flimsy
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Old 13 December 2020, 01:42 AM   #107
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What is a silver watch?

A watch made of silver
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Old 13 December 2020, 02:24 AM   #108
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Love them both but only managed to get one at list:24586A68-0B61-43C8-836C-6D100E297B32.jpeg
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