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What is the “king-watch” of every non-Rolex brand?
Apologies for the cheesy title. Every brand has a “king” watch. I define this as their flagship that comes at the end of one’s watch collecting journey with their brand. For Rolex, it’s the Panda Daytona. For Omega, it’s either the Ed White or Snoopy. For Audemars Piguet, it’s the SS jumbo.
Now technically, there’s no end in sight and one can always go beyond i.e someone that has a regular Jumbo, can also get a Ceramic Openworked. But for the vast majority, the Jumbo is the aspirational watch for the brands. What is this “aspirational/special watch” for other brands? I’ll take a stab: Breitling: The New 2022 LE Cosmonaute Navitimer IWC: Perhaps the Mojave Desert 41 Pilot Vacheron: Blue Dial Overseas 4520 Moser: The new blue enamel small seconds Streamliner or the Salmon center seconds Streamliner Zenith: The Chronomaster Manufacture Edition Any other brands? |
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Great topic.
Given how hard Rolexes are to get at MSRP, I have been feeding my addictions buying the "best representative" of each of the major brands. Here are my thoughts (*not yet owned): Cartier: Tank Louis Patek: 5270 Grand Complication* (I am not a Nautilus or Aquanaut fan) Omega: 321 or 3861 Speedmaster Moonwatch JLC: Reverso Duo Zenith Chronomaster Triple Calendar Moonphase Panerai: Nothing in their current catalog...233 Grand Seiko: Skyflake (SBGY 407) Breitling: Navitimer*/Premier* Tag/Heuer: Carrera Glassbox* A Lange/Sohne: Datagraph Perpetual* For me, the Rolex best representatives are the Batman and the DayDate.
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Rolex Day-Date 118208 YG/Datejust 116139 WG/GMT2 116710 BLNR SS Patek Calatrava 5096 RG - Omega Speedmaster 3861 Sapphire SS - Cartier Tank Louis 1140 YG Panerai GMT 233 SS - Zenith ChronoMaster 01.0240.410 SS - JLC Reverso Duo Q2714910 SS Laine V38 SS - Grand Seiko SGBA407 SS - Baltic Aquascaphe SS - Garmin Approach S62 TAG Heuer Formula One - Swatch MoonSwatch Mission to the Moon/Mercury/Jupiter/Neptune |
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![]() ![]() The two that I have are from 2001, just before the LVMH acquisition. I challenge you to find a better el primaro chrono for the price. I agree the current versions have no soul. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Rolex Day-Date 118208 YG/Datejust 116139 WG/GMT2 116710 BLNR SS Patek Calatrava 5096 RG - Omega Speedmaster 3861 Sapphire SS - Cartier Tank Louis 1140 YG Panerai GMT 233 SS - Zenith ChronoMaster 01.0240.410 SS - JLC Reverso Duo Q2714910 SS Laine V38 SS - Grand Seiko SGBA407 SS - Baltic Aquascaphe SS - Garmin Approach S62 TAG Heuer Formula One - Swatch MoonSwatch Mission to the Moon/Mercury/Jupiter/Neptune |
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Will most definitely give you that. Mmmmaybe, since MB&F is sooooo epic... we'll call it a tie ???
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Akrivia AK-03 Tourbillon Chiming Jump-Hour & Petermann Bedat 2941.
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Apple's 44mm Ultra II Cellular.
Yes, there - I said it! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Cartier Crash!
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What is the “king-watch” of every non-Rolex brand?
Journe doesn’t really have a clear answer. I’d say the Astro is their best. Others would argue it’s the FFC. Still others would say the resonance is the icon while then you’ll get arguments that the optimum is FP’s favorite and equally horologically worthy! Meanwhile this whole time we forgot to mention the Tourb which is his first creation and has a leg to stand on.
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The Astronomic's the only one with the price on the dial.
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All true but if there’s one watch that’s come to represent fpj as a brand it’s the cb
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I would like to disagree here. CB is the simplest watch with the least Journe DNA in terms of both aesthetics or movement innovation. It is kind of like saying that the Aquanaut is the one watch representing PP and ignoring all the grand complications.
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The CB is clearly not the alpha. Love that watch but it was designed as an entry level piece to bring in young collectors. The 5811 isn't the alpha patek either.
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ALS - I think it's a 3 way tie of Lange 1, Dato or Zeitwerk
FPJ - I think it's CO or Resonance |
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Agreed. Had the privilege with some hands-on experience with FFC and AST. As impressive as FFC is. AST is in a higher tier and it is breathtaking. It would definitely be my favorite out of the two. I would love to own a 42 CO in Platinum in the future. |
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I want to add one more.
H moser - Streamliner is very cool, but it should be the Apple watch ![]() ![]() Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk |
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I don’t disagree but then we need to rephrase the question. The TS used an entry-level blue dial Overseas and the Jumbo as examples for VC and AP. The CB fits that profile perfectly for FPJ as it embodies the brand best in the minds of a broad category of collectors. The examples given here for FPJ are more in the vein of money no object, non plus ultra grail pieces. So let’s first define what it is we’re talking about here.
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Thanks for the thoughts. Adding a few additional ones:
Lange: Lange 1. Datograph very close second Parmigiani: Tonda PF Microrotor Blancpain: Fifty Fathoms Milspec in 40 Omega: 321 Gene Cernan IWC: Pilot Mojave Desert Cartier: Cartier Crash Panerai: 233 Patek: 5270p JLC: Reverso Chronograph Christopher Ward: The Twelve X De Bethune: Starry Varius Nomos: Zurich Weltzeit Seiko: SJE093 Tudor: The new Pink Chronograph |
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Each brand has its own "king-watch" that captures the essence and highest aspirations of its collectors. What do others think? Any additional brands or models to add?
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Mission to Saturn ..
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Rolex: President/Daytona
Omega: 321/Snoopy AP: 16202 Patek: Nautilus VC: Overseas/222 FPJ: Chronometre Resonance Cartier: Crash Lange: Datograph/Anything Lumen
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