How much value would a GMT Master 16750 lose with service dial, hands, and bezel?

[502 to Right]

I'm considering getting a GMT Master 16750 with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert. Most collectors would avoid such a watch but I'm planning to use it as a daily wear watch and not a safe queen or investment piece. I love the vintage appeal of an acrylic crystal but also want want the quick set date and higher beat rate I can get in a 16750. That's what makes me favor the 16750 over the 16700 (sapphire crystal) and the 1675 (super expensive, lower beat rate, etc.). It's kind of a perfect middle ground for me.

I know a 1675 would take a price beating with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert. I've read on this site as much as a 50% reduction. But I'm not sure about the transitional 16750. I wouldn't expect that model to be hurt so badly with service parts.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[TimeToGo]

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It depends on the year of production. For instance, if it was a matte dial range, then obviously the difference would be greater (to be period correct) other than another.

[502 to Right]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

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It depends on the year of production. For instance, if it was a matte dial range, then obviously the difference would be greater (to be period correct) other than another.

I'm looking at one in the 82-83 date range. I assume that was a matte dial watch.

If there's too much a price beating I'll probably skip the 16750 and just get a 16710 instead.

[TimeToGo]

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Based on the condition whereas a low 1980's would sell for $13-17k, it could be worth $8-10K (in today's market). Take into consideration - again - condition, parts (bracelet), service history, etc.

Too many variables.

[502 to Right]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

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Based on the condition whereas a low 1980's would sell for $13-17k, it could be worth $8-10K (in today's market). Take into consideration - again - condition, parts (bracelet), service history, etc.

Too many variables.

Thanks. As long as the buying price is in the proper range for a GMT with service parts I don't mind going for it. I just want to make sure I'm not grossly overpaying. I also understand it would make it more difficult to sell as many collectors would not consider a watch like this at all, but so be it.

[TimeToGo]

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If you want to share your purchase details (pictures, price or whatever), I am sure the forum will provide comments.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

I'm considering getting a GMT Master 16750 with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert. Most collectors would avoid such a watch but I'm planning to use it as a daily wear watch and not a safe queen or investment piece.

Not sure I understand the logic here. A 16750 with all original parts is as functional as a daily watch as a 16750 with service parts. And it doesn't need to be a safe queen or investment piece either.

Now, if you're looking for a 16750 with service parts because of budget considerations, that's a different discussion. I'd assume you'd save at least $4k-$5K if that's the case.

[996marty]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

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If you want to share your purchase details (pictures, price or whatever), I am sure the forum will provide comments.

This is a fair point. Any info you can provide can only help, price being the major consideration

[springer]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

I'm considering getting a GMT Master 16750 with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert. Most collectors would avoid such a watch but I'm planning to use it as a daily wear watch and not a safe queen or investment piece. I love the vintage appeal of an acrylic crystal but also want want the quick set date and higher beat rate I can get in a 16750. That's what makes me favor the 16750 over the 16700 (sapphire crystal) and the 1675 (super expensive, lower beat rate, etc.). It's kind of a perfect middle ground for me.

I know a 1675 would take a price beating with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert. I've read on this site as much as a 50% reduction. But I'm not sure about the transitional 16750. I wouldn't expect that model to be hurt so badly with service parts.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

A service parts 16750 GMT from the matte dial era is probably valued somewhere around $8,000 to $10,000 based on condition. As a comparison, nice examples of a matte dial 16750 can be found anywhere from $15,000 on up depending on condition and originality of the parts.

[TuRo]

In uk roughly for a loose orig. matte c £12k, later correct gloss c £9k and earlier matte with service gloss dial about £7k - so about c 40% loss for a pre 8.5 million matte era case with a gloss service dial and hands.

If with box and punched papers and associated trinketry add about 20% on a 16750 or a 760, about 15% on a 16710/700 and about 40% on a 1675 - 6542 full correct set adds about 50% or more if orig foil paper tags early red cosc seal, books etc , ….

[502 to Right]

This has been helpful. Thanks.

[XavierM]

Originally Posted by swish77

not sure i understand the logic here. A 16750 with all original parts is as functional as a daily watch as a 16750 with service parts. And it doesn't need to be a safe queen or investment piece either.

Now, if you're looking for a 16750 with service parts because of budget considerations, that's a different discussion. I'd assume you'd save at least $4k-$5k if that's the case.

+1

[502 to Right]

Originally Posted by swish77

Not sure I understand the logic here. A 16750 with all original parts is as functional as a daily watch as a 16750 with service parts. And it doesn't need to be a safe queen or investment piece either.

Now, if you're looking for a 16750 with service parts because of budget considerations, that's a different discussion. I'd assume you'd save at least $4k-$5K if that's the case.

You are correct that a 16750 with original parts can be used as a daily wear watch. I obviously did a careless job expressing my point.

And what is my point? Personally, I prefer the gloss dial to the matte dial. I also prefer watches that look new compared to watches that are faded or age damaged. But I also prefer acrylic crystals to sapphire. So a 16750 with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert is right up my alley. I can pretty easily research the current price of an original 16750, but 16750's with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert are far less common and that's why I started the thread to begin with. The collective experience and knowledge of this board exceeds limited price research I can do for 16750 watches with a service dial, hands, and bezel insert.

But thanks in part to the difficulty in valuing a 16750 with service dial, hands, and bezel insert, I've decided forgo the acrylic crystal and instead look for a 16710.

[Dan S]

Another option would be to buy a 16750 in poor condition, and send it to the RSC.

[502 to Right]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Another option would be to buy a 16750 in poor condition, and send it to the RSC.

The problem with poor condition vintage watches is that the lugs and crown guards are often way overpolished. Once the metal is rounded off/gone there's not much a RSC can do to fix it.

[gates]

$12k - $12.5with original equipment $10k or so with service bits

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

The problem with poor condition vintage watches is that the lugs and crown guards are often way overpolished. Once the metal is rounded off/gone there's not much a RSC can do to fix it.

You can make speculative excuses why it won't work, or you can just keep your eyes open and see what you find. I see watches with damaged/repainted dials and good cases every day. And they aren't easy to sell.

And while I'm not necessarily recommending it, cases can be refinished very nicely these days.

But if you want to buy the watch you found, just buy it. You don't need to justify your choice to us.

[502 to Right]

Originally Posted by Dan S

But if you want to buy the watch you found, just buy it. You don't need to justify your choice to us.

I did not buy it. In fact I've ceased my search for a 16750.

[interestedwatcher]

The price hit doesn't matter so much as the buyer pool hit.