Do not deal with doc212121!

[Islatate]

Unfortunately, I just got scammed out of $14,200 by this scumbag. Hopefully no one else on TRF will be victimized by this "seller" either.









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[Islatate]

Really shocking that this scammer has the audacity to send me this email this morning.

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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Islatate

Unfortunately, I just got scammed out of $14,200 by this scumbag. Hopefully no one else on TRF will be victimized by this "seller" either.









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Um. How? Please provide some details. Doesn’t look like you sent him the watch and doesn’t look like you sent him any money from his text this morning?


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[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Um. How? Please provide some details. Doesn’t look like you sent him the watch and doesn’t look like you sent him any money from his text this morning?


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Message posted is from Op to seller regarding receiving his payment.

[TimeToGo]

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Two people so far.. Here:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=957031

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

Message posted is from Op to seller regarding receiving his payment.

Ohhhh. Omg. Eeeesh. Wow - wire money to a rando over the internet.


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[Islatate]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

Message posted is from Op to seller regarding receiving his payment.

So here is requence of events. I wired the 14.2k to "doc212121" on Wednesday afternoon to pay for a Batgirl which he has listed on TRF.

All day Thursday, the seller kept telling me he has not seen the funds hit his account, even though I had also wired funds to another seller on TRF (Alex the Watch Guy) at 11:30am Thursday which Alex confirmed receipt of at 2:30pm (3 hours later). So right away, something seemed fishy.

Friday just before 9am, I received an email from "doc212121" with his short "Lol" message. I assume he was taunting me, after having received the funds.

I thought I had done by due diligence by checking on the 2 references that doc212121 had provided. I got duped.

Hopefully my bank will be successful in their recall of the wire. Fingers crossed.



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[massabee]

Not a Pro if he is taunting you versus playing along with pretending he did not receive yet, or simply folding up shop and disappearing.

He has now confirmed that you're getting nothing, and given you the signal to report the matter to the bank and authorities. I used to assume there is no way to reverse a wire if you did in fact authorize it, but apparently in some cases the funds may be recovered. I think though that once the recipient bank has accepted the wire, there may be no way to reverse it.

Because otherwise think about it - then a scammer could send a wire to a legitimate seller and upon receipt of the goods go to his bank and make up some story to try to get the money back. How may a bank know who is telling the truth? Banks aren't here to act as arbiters between buyer and seller, not when payment is made through irrevocable means like a bank wire.

If it were so easy or even possible to reverse a bank wire, we'd be hearing more about that type of fraud, and yet the only time I even heard about anything like that was when the scammer took over someone's bank account, then sent a wire from it. In that case, the owner of the account did not authorize the wire, and the wire recipient who shipped the watch was left holding the bag after the bank reversed the unauthorized wire.

If you act quickly, and go to the bank with a verified police report, maybe something may be done. Just getting a copy of a police report in some jurisdictions takes some time though.

Good luck.

[tike71]

Originally Posted by Islatate

I thought I had done by due diligence by checking on the 2 references that doc212121 had provided. I got duped.

Hopefully my bank will be successful in their recall of the wire. Fingers crossed.



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This is not enough. Scammers use multiple hijacked accounts to provide false references. A quick look at a scammer's post history can indicate when an account got hijacked; usually when they start posting a bunch of useless comments within a short time span. Also compare past sold listings to current ones to note any changes in writing style or contact info.