32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[bigmcmuffins]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thank you. You are the first to present such a set of graphs; great and much appreciated your effort to visualise your data. Graphs are worth a 1000 words.

@saxo3 Thanks for your comments.

I updated the graph now with measurements all the way through 60 hours and the information you requested. Specs are looking alright for me, given what I've seen from the graphs of other watches (amplitude vs time) after 48 hours.

Cheers

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by bigmcmuffins

@saxo3 Thanks for your comments.

I updated the graph now with measurements all the way through 60 hours and the information you requested. Specs are looking alright for me, given what I've seen from the graphs of other watches (amplitude vs time) after 48 hours.

Cheers

Well done!

[saxo3]

Some "Excellent Condition" modern Rolex watches from Dec 2020, May 2021, April 2023.

Doesn't mention the movement number?

Trusted Seller … can't go wrong.

[Rolex1982]

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

Hmm after 15 months of daily usage my watch also has the low amplitude sickness. I noticed that i needed to adjust the watch more often (i don’t like it when it runs more than 1 minute off) so i used the watch tracker app to track the watch. And it runs about -5s/d so i went to my AD which has is own certified Rolex watchmakers. He looked at my watch and checked it. And guess what, it runs slow and it has a low amplitude. They took it in for repairs. Because i knew of the existence of this topic i asked the watch maker if it was a ‘known issue’ and he confirmed that it was but they didn’t explain to me what they were going to do with it.

The watch is now 2,5 years old. I bought it unworn 15 months ago so i hope warranty applies. The AD thinks it does but they did say that they do repairs under a 1000 EUR without consulting me so i will hear it when i can pick it up again in about 6 weeks.

The sales rep who helped me was new and was very impressed by the meteorite dail. He said they never seen it in this location. This one gets allocated by the CEO at their headquarters. He showed it to all his colleagues there.

We are now 17 months further and it is time for an update. I got the watch back and it indeed was serviced under warranty. It is still running great in regards to timekeeping. It runs between -0.9spd and -1.1spd for the last 17 months. I still don’t have a timegrapher so I don’t have any measurements to share but I do use the watchtracker app and set 1 point a day to keep track of its timekeeping. I do this now for 2 years every day and since I’m a one watch guy for the last years it is nice to keep track of it’s performance.

A few months ago I went in to my AD (who is also an RSC) and talked to a sales rep about watches and I showed him a spec of dust under my crystal which got there after their service. It was very quiet in there so he walked to the lead watch maker and asked if he had time to talk to me. Very nice guy and we talked for half an hour and then he asked about the spec of dust. He looked and saw it and said he will remove it right now. I asked if I could join him to the back where he and another watch maker were working. It was fine and he showed me around. He also showed me all the equipment and how they worked on Rolex watches. He showed me my opened watch and movement. I was there for another hour and I asked him about the 32xx movements illness. He indeed confirmed to me that they had a lot 32xx movements with low amplitude come back. He also said that since beginning 2024 it became less. I asked if Rolex communicated anything to them about it and he said that they did not release an official statement about it but they sometimes just bring out new versions of some parts and that then fixes a problem. He could not tell me that it also was the case with the 32xx movements. He only wanted to say that it really is a movement with more warranty needs than older movements.

I know, it’s another “I heard from my AD” comment but I thought it could be nice to share.

[Seo]

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

We are now 17 months further and it is time for an update. I got the watch back and it indeed was serviced under warranty. It is still running great in regards to timekeeping. It runs between -0.9spd and -1.1spd for the last 17 months. I still don’t have a timegrapher so I don’t have any measurements to share but I do use the watchtracker app and set 1 point a day to keep track of its timekeeping. I do this now for 2 years every day and since I’m a one watch guy for the last years it is nice to keep track of it’s performance.

A few months ago I went in to my AD (who is also an RSC) and talked to a sales rep about watches and I showed him a spec of dust under my crystal which got there after their service. It was very quiet in there so he walked to the lead watch maker and asked if he had time to talk to me. Very nice guy and we talked for half an hour and then he asked about the spec of dust. He looked and saw it and said he will remove it right now. I asked if I could join him to the back where he and another watch maker were working. It was fine and he showed me around. He also showed me all the equipment and how they worked on Rolex watches. He showed me my opened watch and movement. I was there for another hour and I asked him about the 32xx movements illness. He indeed confirmed to me that they had a lot 32xx movements with low amplitude come back. He also said that since beginning 2024 it became less. I asked if Rolex communicated anything to them about it and he said that they did not release an official statement about it but they sometimes just bring out new versions of some parts and that then fixes a problem. He could not tell me that it also was the case with the 32xx movements. He only wanted to say that it really is a movement with more warranty needs than older movements.

I know, it’s another “I heard from my AD” comment but I thought it could be nice to share.

thank you for sharing, what you have said reflects what my cousin has heard from speaking to Aus RSC people.

is your current watch doing okay in terms of amp when RSC looked at it the other day when you were in?

[Rolex1982]

Originally Posted by Seo

thank you for sharing, what you have said reflects what my cousin has heard from speaking to Aus RSC people.

is your current watch doing okay in terms of amp when RSC looked at it the other day when you were in?

He put it brief on the timegrapher and it’s amplitude was little under 300. I think he said something in the 295 range but it’s some time ago. I do remember he said it wasn’t bad at all for a 32xx watch that was running for a full year non stop. He didn’t do a full test in all the positions because it kept time very well and I was there for the spec of dust and a small tour.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

We are now 17 months further and it is time for an update. I got the watch back and it indeed was serviced under warranty. It is still running great in regards to timekeeping. It runs between -0.9spd and -1.1spd for the last 17 months.

Thanks for the interesting update.

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

He put it brief on the timegrapher and it’s amplitude was little under 300. I think he said something in the 295 range but it’s some time ago. I do remember he said it wasn’t bad at all for a 32xx watch that was running for a full year non stop.

Amplitudes in the range of 295°, measured in a horizontal position, are very high for a 3285 caliber. None of the 2024 watches presented in this thread has reached this value.

High amplitudes, either in dial up or dial down, are a good sign but don't allow a positive conclusion, also not the so often quoted "good timekeeping". The 3 vertical amplitudes, measured after full winding and 24 hours later, are the key figures for all 32xx watches.

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

He didn’t do a full test in all the positions because it kept time very well …

This AD watchmaker's logic is nonsense for 32xx movements.

[SwissSteph]

Hello everyone,

I am a new member and I would like to participate in this topic. I have two Rolex, the first an Explorer II "Polar" purchased in August 2024 and the second a SeaDweller purchased in September 2024 (my AD took 29 days to deliver it to me since I registered on the famous "waiting list")

I ordered the tool (WeiShi 1900), I am waiting for it to take my measurements. For the moment I have just tested it with the "Watch Accuracy Meter" application (Android) and my Explorer seems really accurate, on the other hand the SeaDweller not at all!

I will come back here as soon as I have received the Weishi and taken two measurements (the second after 24 hours) for my two watches.

Sorry for my bad English, I do my best

[hellobandit]

Welcome Steph!
You've already equipped yourself well with the WeiShi, I can't wait to see your measurements ;)
See you

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by hellobandit

Welcome Steph!
You've already equipped yourself well with the WeiShi, I can't wait to see your measurements ;)
See you

Thank you very much.

It's on order, and I can't wait for it to arrive. My Excel spreadsheet is already ready for my future measurements.

And if my Sea Dweller is as bad in precision (what the Android app shows me), it will quickly go back to Rolex for adjustments / repair.

Of course I'll ask for your opinion here before taking it back to the seller.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Hello everyone,

I am a new member and I would like to participate in this topic. I have two Rolex, the first an Explorer II "Polar" purchased in August 2024 and the second a SeaDweller purchased in September 2024 (my AD took 29 days to deliver it to me since I registered on the famous "waiting list")

I ordered the tool (WeiShi 1900), I am waiting for it to take my measurements. For the moment I have just tested it with the "Watch Accuracy Meter" application (Android) and my Explorer seems really accurate, on the other hand the SeaDweller not at all!

I will come back here as soon as I have received the Weishi and taken two measurements (the second after 24 hours) for my two watches.

Sorry for my bad English, I do my best

Welcome to this 32xx data thread.

Do you know the timegrapher measurement procedure? If possible, don't limit your data collection to t = 0 and t = 24 h.

Your two new 2024 watches are very interesting for this thread.

What are their reference numbers?

[tho68]

Hi all,

I just registered to this forum. There is some much interesting and useful information. Thanks!

I got my Starbucks last Friday and before picking it up I was browsing through some forums and - by accident - got in touch with this thread. I was not aware of this 32xx issue at all.

I immidiately bought a Weishi 1900 that will arive over the enxt days. I will post my results when abailable.

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not fine anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

Could someone let me know what is known about the root cause or refer me to the right post?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Regards
tho68

[tho68]

Hi all,

I just registered to this forum. There is so much interesting and useful information here. Thanks!

I got my Starbucks last Friday and before picking it up I was browsing through some forums and - by accident - got in touch with this thread. I was not aware of this 32xx issue at all.

I immidiately bought a Weishi 1900 that will arive over the enxt days. I will post my results when abailable.

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not find anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

Could someone let me know what is known about the root cause or refer me to the right post?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Regards
tho68

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome to this 32xx data thread.

Do you know the timegrapher measurement procedure? If possible, don't limit your data collection to t = 0 and t = 24 h.

Your two new 2024 watches are very interesting for this thread.

What are their reference numbers?

Thank you.

Here are my references:

Explorer II - 226570
Sea-Dweller - 126600

What do I have to do in addition to 0H and 24H?

I'm supposed to receive my device on September 30th, so no news from me before then, sorry.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Thank you.

Here are my references:

Explorer II - 226570
Sea-Dweller - 126600

What do I have to do in addition to 0H and 24H?

I'm supposed to receive my device on September 30th, so no news from me before then, sorry.

Thanks.

Ref. 226570 - 3285
Ref. 126600 - 3235

If you want to do something very detailed then measure at t = 0,12,24,36,48,54,57,60 h.

Especially interesting (for isochronism study) are some data points between 48 h and 60 h.

Periods that must be avoided due to caliber amplitude dips are 23:00 - 01:00 and 05:00 - 08:00.

After each 5 position measurement you have to leave the watch untouched on the timegrapher in DU (dial up) position.

To achieve full winding the 32xx calibers need 35-40 full crown turns, 360 degrees each. I measured that for 6 watches and presented the results in this thread, see post #1704 (5 July 2021). No movement damage if you wind (much) more.

Post #5002 (by CharlesN) describes the timegrapher procedure to follow in order to achieve comparable data in this thread.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Thank you very much.

It's on order, and I can't wait for it to arrive. My Excel spreadsheet is already ready for my future measurements.

And if my Sea Dweller is as bad in precision (what the Android app shows me), it will quickly go back to Rolex for adjustments / repair.

Of course I'll ask for your opinion here before taking it back to the seller.

Originally Posted by tho68

Hi all,

I just registered to this forum. There is some much interesting and useful information. Thanks!

I got my Starbucks last Friday and before picking it up I was browsing through some forums and - by accident - got in touch with this thread. I was not aware of this 32xx issue at all.

I immidiately bought a Weishi 1900 that will arive over the enxt days. I will post my results when abailable.

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not fine anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

Could someone let me know what is known about the root cause or refer me to the right post?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Regards
tho68

Welcome to the forum and this thread. A couple of points for you two to ponder:

1. This thread tends to be a bit polarizing, so dont get amped up over non-productive feedback.
2. In as much as you can read as much of this thread. There is a great deal of info within.
3. Don’t go looking for a problem. Just learn about what your meter does and what it means, learn about your watch(es).
4. Have fun.

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Welcome to the forum and this thread. A couple of points for you two to ponder:

1. This thread tends to be a bit polarizing, so dont get amped up over non-productive feedback.
2. In as much as you can read as much of this thread. There is a great deal of info within.
3. Don’t go looking for a problem. Just learn about what your meter does and what it means, learn about your watch(es).
4. Have fun.

for point 3, I agree ... but it seems to me that my "Sea Dweller" is not within "+/- 2 seconds" and for that, if proven, I do not agree (at the sale price) to let it pass without returning my watch for correction.

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks.

Ref. 226570 - 3285
Ref. 126600 - 3235

If you want to do something very detailed then measure at t = 0,12,24,36,48,54,57,60 h.

Especially interesting (for isochronism study) are some data points between 48 h and 60 h.

Periods that must be avoided due to caliber amplitude dips are 23:00 - 01:00 and 05:00 - 08:00.

After each 5 position measurement you have to leave the watch untouched on the timegrapher in DU (dial up) position.

To achieve full winding the 32xx calibers need 35-40 full crown turns, 360 degrees each. I measured that for 6 watches and presented the results in this thread, see post #1704 (5 July 2021). No movement damage if you wind (much) more.

Post #5002 (by CharlesN) describes the timegrapher procedure to follow in order to achieve comparable data in this thread.

Thank you for this information, I will do my best and go and see the instructions Post #5002

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Welcome to the forum and this thread. A couple of points for you two to ponder:

1. This thread tends to be a bit polarizing, so dont get amped up over non-productive feedback.
2. In as much as you can read as much of this thread. There is a great deal of info within.
3. Don’t go looking for a problem. Just learn about what your meter does and what it means, learn about your watch(es).
4. Have fun.

for point 3, I agree ... but it seems to me that my "Sea Dweller" is not within "+/- 2 seconds" and for that, if proven, I do not agree (at the sale price) to let it pass without returning my watch for correction.

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks.

Post #5002 (by CharlesN) describes the timegrapher procedure to follow in order to achieve comparable data in this thread.

Perfect explanations! Thank you!

I will then count on the members here, to analyze my results and tell me if I should quickly go and make a complaint to Rolex (I even live very far from the main headquarters of this brand) ... but I prefer to go and return my watch to the reseller, it's up to him to do the rest.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by tho68

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not find anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Welcome to the forum.
Bas is indeed SearChart
With regard to the fix.
There has been reports of a reduction in the quantity of watches going back for repair with Bas indicating same. So one may be able to draw the conclusion that there is a fix which will in all probability never be confirmed, but hopefully we will be able to draw a reasonable assumption or two that Rolex are doing something positive about it after all these years.

Good data provided by participants will go a long way to help us in our endeavours as well

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by tho68

Hi all,

I just registered to this forum. There is some much interesting and useful information. Thanks!

I got my Starbucks last Friday and before picking it up I was browsing through some forums and - by accident - got in touch with this thread. I was not aware of this 32xx issue at all.

I immidiately bought a Weishi 1900 that will arive over the enxt days. I will post my results when abailable.

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not fine anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

Could someone let me know what is known about the root cause or refer me to the right post?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Regards
tho68

Welcome to the 32xx data thread.

We don't discuss "Starbucks" or "Sprite" watches here
Instead we use the correct Rolex names with their reference and caliber numbers.

There is no Rolex published permanent fix for the well known 32xx issues.

Indeed, TRF member SearChart (= Bas) posted that he had seen fewer 32xx coming in for repair, in his lab, in one country, Europe. We all trust Bas as he is a Rolex watchmaker and much appreciated for all his technical (and other) posts. His observation is important but inconclusive and (unfortunately) statistically irrelevant on a global scale.

Fact is that in 2024 Rolex is still selling watches with the issue of too low amplitudes, some of them out of the box (= new), proven! That is about 9 years after the introduction of the 32xx caliber in 2015.

In this thread 5 members (EasyE, Penelope2017, digiwatch, maratka, bigmcmuffins) have reported timegrapher data for their 7 (in total) new (2024) watches. Three of these seven watches (43 %) have issues from the very beginning. This also is statistically irrelevant, but a much better information compared to speculations and hater nonsense.

---
Side note: So far our dear friend "Dirt" has made 303 posts in this long thread (third most posts) without owning a single 32xx watch. Keep it coming, Dirt

[SwissSteph]

For my future tests and Excell table, what is the formula (in Excel) to find the “Sigma”? I haven't mastered this spreadsheet enough for this command.

Thanks for your help

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

For my future tests and Excell table, what is the formula (in Excel) to find the “Sigma”? I haven't mastered this spreadsheet enough for this command.

Thanks for your help

Good question! What is your definition or understanding for sigma? Or do you mean delta?

[SwissSteph]

Example found in this topic (#5016) and I will need it for my future Excel table. Well, if it's not necessary I can also not put it!?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Example found in this topic (#5016) and I will need it for my future Excel table. Well, if it's not necessary I can also not put it!?

In post #5014 and #5016 he (digiwatch) used the wrong terminology.

What he called the sigma is the delta, D.
I informed him in #5018.

D is the maximum difference between the 5 readings for each observable: rates, amplitudes, and beat errors.

The formula to calculate D in Excel for 5 measurements (a1,b1,c1,d1) is

=Max(a1:d1)-Min(a1:d1)

[SwissSteph]

Great! Thanks for the Excel formula

[tho68]

First of all sorry for the double post. I quickly registered yesterday evening and wanted to send my first post before going to sleep.
When posting I got a 1-2s notification from the forum page about my post but could not read what it was. I just noticed
that my post did not appear in the thread and so reposted it. There were also quite a few typos in my post.

As already mentioned I got my watch (126610LV, so 3235 caliber) last week. It is from April this year and I bought it unworn from the
initial buyer. Although I could just enjoy the watch (5 years warranty + 1 more year from the AD) I am always interested in the technical details.
My background is electrical engineering.

My bracelet had to be shorten so I visited the local AD and had a good talk with their watchmaker. I asked him about the 32xx issue that I read
in this forum. He smiled and asked what the forum “reports”. I basically told him what I had read here. He said yes, the 32xx caliber has low amplitudes
and that they had some talks with Rolex on this. But at the end (he said) you do not argue too much. Finally, he said that they do not have many “complaints”, so in the 0/00 range.

My Weishi 1900 will arrive tomorrow and I will do some tests. The test protocol was well explained here. So far my watch seems to be in the +1s/d range.

[FlyinHawaiian]

I just picked up a pre-owned SD43 ref. 126600, dated 2018. I guess it needs a service!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

I just picked up a pre-owned SD43 ref. 126600, dated 2018. I guess it needs a service!

Correct.

According to your signature you also own a GMT-Master II 126719BLRO (3285) and an Air-King 126900 (3230)?