The A. Lange & Söhne Thread - including daily pics...

[NYG1121]

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[jed11]

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[Gravity]

[shammad10]

Originally Posted by Gravity

Looks great, Eric

[Gravity]

Originally Posted by shammad10

Looks great, Eric

Thank you!

[ricky64]

Originally Posted by shammad10

Looks great, Eric

The big question here...what vintage Pegau, and how was it drinking?

[Gebbeth]

For those with the 1815 Chrono and/or Datograph, what do you feel about the addition/subtraction of the panorama datum on these models?

I don't know what other differences there are from a mechanical perspective, but the removal of the date on the 1815 seems to be the primary difference, and on the reverse side, unless you are an expert, you almost can't tell the difference (I know there are significant differences, but both a similar enough to invoke the same kind of awe).

[c0ll3ct0r]

On 10/24, Lange will announce 2 (currently undisclosed) watches. Both are Lange 1 released for the 30th anniversary of the brand. Both will be limited to 300 watches each and will be in the $50-70K price range.

[gmtmister]

After a year of searching for the right deal for my favorite reference, I finally picked it up. It’s everything I expected it to be and more. Extremely happy with the purchase and it will be with me for a long time. Such an incredibly well thought out and executed watch.

Pure art.

Thanks to all that helped me in my journey!

[Rushne]

Originally Posted by gmtmister

After a year of searching for the right deal for my favorite reference, I finally picked it up. It’s everything I expected it to be and more. Extremely happy with the purchase and it will be with me for a long time. Such an incredibly well thought out and executed watch.

Pure art.

Thanks to all that helped me in my journey!

Oh hell yes! Big congratulations buddy! Wear it in the best of health and enjoy!

[milgaussSD43]

Big ALS fan but no pieces yet. Planning to buy at AD when I'm ready.

Anyone noticing the ALS market softening? I was in the Vegas ALS boutique ~2 weeks ago. Lovely experience. Have been there a few times before and usually just a very few pieces in stock. Was surprised to see every case totally full - 12 ALS pieces in stock and available (no ZWs or Datos), and a few in the back.

Sure, I know 12 is a small number, but I think a large number for this very small boutique which is a "partner" boutique and not truly ALS. Seemed like a lot of stock to me and I wondered if this is a bellweather of things slowing for ALS and inventory creeping up.

My question is this. I know generally it's "no discounts" at ALS Boutiques. But in the past before the current era didn't people get discounts in Boutiques? ~5-10% off maybe? And if there is enough pressure and things are slow enough for too long, and Boutique supplies creep up enough, might there not be a return to this?

Case in point: was at a VC boutique recently and offered SS Overseas with black or white dial (not blue) at MSRP with ~2-3 month wait with zero spend history (my hunch was there are some in stock but they don't want to put in the case just yet). While not at a discount, this was pretty surprising since 1 year ago I don't even think you could be on a wait list for these without a spend history.

[mario1971]

Today pulled out of the safe for autumn days. First on alligator, then changed to suede strap.

[jed11]

Originally Posted by milgaussSD43

Big ALS fan but no pieces yet. Planning to buy at AD when I'm ready.

Anyone noticing the ALS market softening? I was in the Vegas ALS boutique ~2 weeks ago. Lovely experience. Have been there a few times before and usually just a very few pieces in stock. Was surprised to see every case totally full - 12 ALS pieces in stock and available (no ZWs or Datos), and a few in the back.

Sure, I know 12 is a small number, but I think a large number for this very small boutique which is a "partner" boutique and not truly ALS. Seemed like a lot of stock to me and I wondered if this is a bellweather of things slowing for ALS and inventory creeping up.

My question is this. I know generally it's "no discounts" at ALS Boutiques. But in the past before the current era didn't people get discounts in Boutiques? ~5-10% off maybe? And if there is enough pressure and things are slow enough for too long, and Boutique supplies creep up enough, might there not be a return to this?

Case in point: was at a VC boutique recently and offered SS Overseas with black or white dial (not blue) at MSRP with ~2-3 month wait with zero spend history (my hunch was there are some in stock but they don't want to put in the case just yet). While not at a discount, this was pretty surprising since 1 year ago I don't even think you could be on a wait list for these without a spend history.

From my experience, most Lange models are readily available. I think the only model that you need spend history with is the Odysseus.


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[Gravity]

Originally Posted by ricky64

The big question here...what vintage Pegau, and how was it drinking?

It was a 2014 and thought it was incredible. Been trying to open more bottles lately, as apposed to just being OCD and arranging them in the cellar lol

[Gravity]

Originally Posted by gmtmister

After a year of searching for the right deal for my favorite reference, I finally picked it up. It’s everything I expected it to be and more. Extremely happy with the purchase and it will be with me for a long time. Such an incredibly well thought out and executed watch.

Pure art.

Thanks to all that helped me in my journey!

Congrats! Beautiful.

[Rushne]

Lovely shots and straps!
Quick one though, do ALS have precious metal spring bars? Or do you just use the spring bars that come with certain straps as well (Molequin quick release for example) ?

Originally Posted by mario1971

Today pulled out of the safe for autumn days. First on alligator, then changed to suede strap.

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by Rushne

Lovely shots and straps!

Quick one though, do ALS have precious metal spring bars? Or do you just use the spring bars that come with certain straps as well (Molequin quick release for example) ?

For the brown suede I used the original gold telescopics. The blue alligator strap is from Molequin with a quick change. They have thinner ends without an additional collar, so they float around a bit in the holes.

[ons2101]

Originally Posted by milgaussSD43

Big ALS fan but no pieces yet. Planning to buy at AD when I'm ready.

Anyone noticing the ALS market softening? I was in the Vegas ALS boutique ~2 weeks ago. Lovely experience. Have been there a few times before and usually just a very few pieces in stock. Was surprised to see every case totally full - 12 ALS pieces in stock and available (no ZWs or Datos), and a few in the back.

Sure, I know 12 is a small number, but I think a large number for this very small boutique which is a "partner" boutique and not truly ALS. Seemed like a lot of stock to me and I wondered if this is a bellweather of things slowing for ALS and inventory creeping up.

My question is this. I know generally it's "no discounts" at ALS Boutiques. But in the past before the current era didn't people get discounts in Boutiques? ~5-10% off maybe? And if there is enough pressure and things are slow enough for too long, and Boutique supplies creep up enough, might there not be a return to this?

Case in point: was at a VC boutique recently and offered SS Overseas with black or white dial (not blue) at MSRP with ~2-3 month wait with zero spend history (my hunch was there are some in stock but they don't want to put in the case just yet). While not at a discount, this was pretty surprising since 1 year ago I don't even think you could be on a wait list for these without a spend history.

So here’s some food for thought:

In the past there was a time for discounts at a boutique, now no more of course.

The price hikes in recent years seems absolutely insane that the price of a timepiece always has to be considered.

What about buying a Lange from a trusted seller here? I bought a Saxonia in perfect condition, only 3 years old, full box and papers for like almost 40% off current sticker. It came perfect essentially brand new.

With the exception of Rolex and perhaps a few selected other brands (some Patek, AP RO), these luxury brands can be had at a “great deal”.
Even a Patek Calatrava 6119 is selling for several k below list.

I’ve considered a new Lange 1. That being said there is no way I would be willing to pay $44,700 usd plus tax which is like $48k.
Getting a current model “lightly used” but in great condition for ~$31,000 is more palatable but still a ton. As much as I want a Lange 1 even I have to justify to myself if I would spend that much on a time piece.

So is buying brand new from a Boutique worth paying 30-40% more when dealing with watches that are this expensive? It’s not the same as getting a Tudor for 3k and buying at boutique for 4k.


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[bibbi]

Does anyone have this little beauty? I’m looking forward to see some more real life photos.




bibbi

[c0ll3ct0r]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Does anyone have this little beauty? I’m looking forward to see some more real life photos.




bibbi

Which reference is this? I don't see it in the currently available references.

[bibbi]

Originally Posted by c0ll3ct0r

Which reference is this? I don't see it in the currently available references.

105.035 „Darth”


bibbi

[itim]

Hello, I'm interested in the 1815 Chrono Boutique Edition.

Is this a piece that I can immediately put my name into the waiting list without spend history at the boutique? If it is not, what is the path to this (i.e. how many 3 handers do I have to get first)?

Thank you.

[ButtButt]

Originally Posted by itim

Hello, I'm interested in the 1815 Chrono Boutique Edition.

Is this a piece that I can immediately put my name into the waiting list without spend history at the boutique? If it is not, what is the path to this (i.e. how many 3 handers do I have to get first)?

Thank you.

Yup they are pretty transparent. Put your name down, place a deposit, they will tell you roughly how long the wait is. No history needed.

[ButtButt]

I was invited a few days ago to have a preview of the upcoming launch at the local boutique. It's the 30th anniversary of the Lange and they are releasing a few new limited edition models.

Obviously I was asked not to take any photos or videos but the watches were quite nice. A new dial material in platinum and rose gold. Should be a fun watch to have.

[pdnb]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

For those with the 1815 Chrono and/or Datograph, what do you feel about the addition/subtraction of the panorama datum on these models?

I don't know what other differences there are from a mechanical perspective, but the removal of the date on the 1815 seems to be the primary difference, and on the reverse side, unless you are an expert, you almost can't tell the difference (I know there are significant differences, but both a similar enough to invoke the same kind of awe).

I think everyone who is willing to throw down for an 1815 chrono goes through this decision making process.

You are correct, the view of the movement of the two models from the back are very similar, perhaps due to the outside date being on the topside of the movement (not sure)?

I think from a case proportion argument the 1815 chrono wins, being thinner. People often complain of the top heaviness of the Dato due to its thickness. The way I mitigate that is due to make sure the strap fits nicely (meaning you are not “between” holes Or get a deployant buckle as well.

While I prefer no date on other watches, when it comes to Lange, I absolutely love the outsize date complication. And yes, even though they licensed the patent from JLC and GO has a planar outsize date, the aesthetic execution of the outsize date from Lange is iconic (and in their DNA starting with the Lange 1) and the best in my opinion with the metalized frame around the numerals.

So… as long as the fitment on the wrist can work for you and are willing to drop the extra money, I think it’s the way to go. Of course I am biased, but I am not knocking the 1815 chrono.

Several times I have contemplated both, but still only have the OG Dato.

After you go down the Dato decision, you then need to decide if you go OG with the smaller diameter hockey puck or the larger one, which has the more modern look with batons and power reserve. And I believe longer PR?

Good luck!!!


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[pdnb]

Originally Posted by ons2101

So here’s some food for thought:

In the past there was a time for discounts at a boutique, now no more of course.

The price hikes in recent years seems absolutely insane that the price of a timepiece always has to be considered.

What about buying a Lange from a trusted seller here? I bought a Saxonia in perfect condition, only 3 years old, full box and papers for like almost 40% off current sticker. It came perfect essentially brand new.

With the exception of Rolex and perhaps a few selected other brands (some Patek, AP RO), these luxury brands can be had at a “great deal”.
Even a Patek Calatrava 6119 is selling for several k below list.

I’ve considered a new Lange 1. That being said there is no way I would be willing to pay $44,700 usd plus tax which is like $48k.
Getting a current model “lightly used” but in great condition for ~$31,000 is more palatable but still a ton. As much as I want a Lange 1 even I have to justify to myself if I would spend that much on a time piece.

So is buying brand new from a Boutique worth paying 30-40% more when dealing with watches that are this expensive? It’s not the same as getting a Tudor for 3k and buying at boutique for 4k.


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This is exactly my thinking; but the new owner has to be ok with getting something preowned.

It is easy for me to justify based on the price delta alone…. Unless you plan on spending a couple hundred k to perhaps getting on their vip list so you can get exclusive pieces, preowned is way to go


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[Ross E.!]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Does anyone have this little beauty? I’m looking forward to see some more real life photos.




bibbi

Bibbi, I have the Darth Saxonia and cant' get enough of it. I bought it from the original owner in Austria a few months ago after searching for a while. My favorite watch!

[Gebbeth]

Originally Posted by pdnb

I think everyone who is willing to throw down for an 1815 chrono goes through this decision making process.

You are correct, the view of the movement of the two models from the back are very similar, perhaps due to the outside date being on the topside of the movement (not sure)?

I think from a case proportion argument the 1815 chrono wins, being thinner. People often complain of the top heaviness of the Dato due to its thickness. The way I mitigate that is due to make sure the strap fits nicely (meaning you are not “between” holes Or get a deployant buckle as well.

While I prefer no date on other watches, when it comes to Lange, I absolutely love the outsize date complication. And yes, even though they licensed the patent from JLC and GO has a planar outsize date, the aesthetic execution of the outsize date from Lange is iconic (and in their DNA starting with the Lange 1) and the best in my opinion with the metalized frame around the numerals.

So… as long as the fitment on the wrist can work for you and are willing to drop the extra money, I think it’s the way to go. Of course I am biased, but I am not knocking the 1815 chrono.

Several times I have contemplated both, but still only have the OG Dato.

After you go down the Dato decision, you then need to decide if you go OG with the smaller diameter hockey puck or the larger one, which has the more modern look with batons and power reserve. And I believe longer PR?

Good luck!!!


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Thanks for the insights. Appreciate it.

The thinness of the 1815 is absolutely a plus, and between the new and original models of the Datograph, I'm actually leaning toward the new model with the PR. I like PR complications as it takes a bit of the guesswork out of manual wind watches. The slightly larger dimensions are fine with me.

BTW, beautiful watch. Stunning.

[Gebbeth]

Originally Posted by ons2101

So here’s some food for thought:

In the past there was a time for discounts at a boutique, now no more of course.

The price hikes in recent years seems absolutely insane that the price of a timepiece always has to be considered.

What about buying a Lange from a trusted seller here? I bought a Saxonia in perfect condition, only 3 years old, full box and papers for like almost 40% off current sticker. It came perfect essentially brand new.

With the exception of Rolex and perhaps a few selected other brands (some Patek, AP RO), these luxury brands can be had at a “great deal”.
Even a Patek Calatrava 6119 is selling for several k below list.

I’ve considered a new Lange 1. That being said there is no way I would be willing to pay $44,700 usd plus tax which is like $48k.
Getting a current model “lightly used” but in great condition for ~$31,000 is more palatable but still a ton. As much as I want a Lange 1 even I have to justify to myself if I would spend that much on a time piece.

So is buying brand new from a Boutique worth paying 30-40% more when dealing with watches that are this expensive? It’s not the same as getting a Tudor for 3k and buying at boutique for 4k.


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I would say that most ALS watches, for some reason, depreciate after initial sale....sometimes steeply. While this is true for most watches, I still get surprised at how much certain models fall given how intricately finished and designed these watches are.

That being said, buying from an AD does bring with it a possibility of getting access, eventually, to the more exclusive models that are harder to get (setting aside all the discussions about whether this is a good or bad thing for watchmakers to do).

So if you want an Odysseus at retail prices, you will have to pay up big on the front end through AD purchase history. Or, you can buy the lower priced models used at substantially deep discounts to retail, but pay up the nose for said Odysseus on the secondary markets.

I'm not sure financially if any of that evens out.

[cloudsun]

How comfortable would you be willing to purchase from a trusted seller, but no papers?