Sub date vs no-date

[Manamana]

Originally Posted by pepsibezel

126610lv submariner date 103,584
126610ln submariner date 177,328

124060 submariner 82,382

from the rolex submariner book. Still haven’t seen a screen shot with the numbers for the 126613 and 126619 submariner dates.

126613 - 78,540 4 years
126619 - 11,464 4 years
Deep Sea James Cameron 88,571
ND old Sub 40 114060 - 153,437 over 10 years
Sub Date 116610 - 414,905 over 10 years

If there is demand Rolex will produce more, don't be fooled by low production or rarity claims

[majidessa]

Originally Posted by Manamana

Steel Sub 126610
Production 2020-2023 - 177,328 watches

Steel Sub No Date 124060
Production 2020-2023 - 82,382 watches

Starbucks or Cermit 103,584 watches

Actual data from Rolex Submariner Book

Ratio 10 Date vs 4.65 ND so 2 to 1 approximately

Wow this is alot of SS Subs 363,294 to be exact divided by 3 (being no of years since Subs were announced in Q4 2020) = 121,098, now if Rolex produces 1.2 million watch a year we can conclude that circa 10% are SS Subs.

[fly4food84]

Honestly the date function is the only complication I use the watch for.

[Watchesnguitars]

I find the date function to be incredibly useful (especially during work days during the week) but with that being said I prefer my no date sub, over the ones I have with the date window.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Manamana

Steel Sub 126610
Production 2020-2023 - 177,328 watches

Steel Sub No Date 124060
Production 2020-2023 - 82,382 watches

Starbucks or Cermit 103,584 watches

Actual data from Rolex Submariner Book

Ratio 10 Date vs 4.65 ND so 2 to 1 approximately

That’s not a lot of watches considering US population is 330 million and EU population is 450 million. Trying to do math in my head without a calculator here, but the amount of Submariners produced during that time is roughly .03% of the population of US and EU. I’m not even factoring in the Asian market. This explains why the demand far exceeds supply, and it’s so difficult to acquire one.


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[Manamana]

Originally Posted by Krash

That’s not a lot of watches considering US population is 330 million and EU population is 450 million. Trying to do math in my head without a calculator here, but the amount of Submariners produced during that time is roughly .03% of the population of US and EU. I’m not even factoring in the Asian market. This explains why the demand far exceeds supply, and it’s so difficult to acquire one.


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I can do the calculation in a different way which will link population with income and will reinforce your point.

there are over 131.43 Mil households in the US. 37.1% earn over $100,000. 48.76 Mil households earn over $100,000, and let's assume only one household out of 100 households want to buy a Sub a year which is a low estimate. That's 487,605 Submariners a year. Make it 2 out of 100 and it's 975,210 this is only the US, then there is the rest of the world.

[helloworldies]

Originally Posted by dmash

5 digit and before = no date

6 digit = date

This is it!

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Manamana

I can do the calculation in a different way which will link population with income and will reinforce your point.

there are over 131.43 Mil households in the US. 37.1% earn over $100,000. 48.76 Mil households earn over $100,000, and let's assume only one household out of 100 households want to buy a Sub a year which is a low estimate. That's 487,605 Submariners a year. Make it 2 out of 100 and it's 975,210 this is only the US, then there is the rest of the world.

Well done. Yes. Exactly.


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[ocb]

Originally Posted by Deppe

No, they are both not just subs - there are the Submariner and there are the Submariner Date. Don’t believe me? Well, ask Rolex then.

Haha hilarious both are Subs! Thanks! Gee, Rolex don’t say No Date how intriguing lol

So, if you look at the dial it actually says Oyster Perpetual Date, then way below that it just says Submariner, just like the no date version.

The date version is the Sub imagined by the vast majority when they hear the word, hence it makes much more sense to say Sub and no date Sub.

[Roddypeepa]

Originally Posted by Manamana

I can do the calculation in a different way which will link population with income and will reinforce your point.

there are over 131.43 Mil households in the US. 37.1% earn over $100,000. 48.76 Mil households earn over $100,000, and let's assume only one household out of 100 households want to buy a Sub a year which is a low estimate. That's 487,605 Submariners a year. Make it 2 out of 100 and it's 975,210 this is only the US, then there is the rest of the world.

Not many 100k income households buying Rolex these days imo. That’s naff all.


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[Funkle]

It doesn't mean what it used to.

[pedersenkl]

Sub! It’s awesome for a daily and has fantastic design/symmetry.

[Jefferyasher]

Originally Posted by Manamana

Air King and Milgauss

Ah, yes! Thank you for the additions!

[Phrank]

I am now, as of tonight, firmly on the side of the Submariner ND.....

[DoubleJG]

My choice was the ND, love the symmetry, but I also want a bluesy




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[Gollv0]

No date is my preference for any watch.

[Cassian739]

Originally Posted by spinnaker226

“No date”
The only sub I like with the date complication is the Starbucks, but it really comes down to personal preference.

This is the answer - get both the Sub LV and the Sub (no date). The black bezel Sub Date is ubiquitous.