Perception is powerful..and expensive

[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by belmate85

If I was able to walk into an AD and purchase a SS Daytona, it’s the winner. But I can’t, so the white speedmaster wins.

Exactly. Although I do like the bracelet in the Speedmaster better. Personal preference.


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[fivedime]

Originally Posted by 928ktgold

I guarantee the Daytonas you got offered weren’t all steel

…and you’d be wrong. It wasn’t this year, but..,

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by fivedime

…and you’d be wrong. It wasn’t this year, but..,

I’ll bite. What SS Daytona did you turn down and when was this???

[Afterglow]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

Have both and love them equally but for different reasons. One thing I know for sure is when I see a speedy on someone’s wrist I know he’s a true watch guy. When I see a guy wearing a Daytona I never really know, but after a few minutes of conversation I usually figure out he’s just a “watch bro” and more interested in brands than watches. I know which guy I’d rather hang out with.

My thoughts exactly!

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

Have both and love them equally but for different reasons. One thing I know for sure is when I see a speedy on someone’s wrist I know he’s a true watch guy. When I see a guy wearing a Daytona I never really know, but after a few minutes of conversation I usually figure out he’s just a “watch bro” and more interested in brands than watches. I know which guy I’d rather hang out with.

I’m sure quite where this leaves my wife.

She has the Snoopy 2 and 3 because she likes Snoopy not because she’s a true watch guy.

[PenDelicate]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

Have both and love them equally but for different reasons. One thing I know for sure is when I see a speedy on someone’s wrist I know he’s a true watch guy. When I see a guy wearing a Daytona I never really know, but after a few minutes of conversation I usually figure out he’s just a “watch bro” and more interested in brands than watches. I know which guy I’d rather hang out with.

I wear a Daytona and am more into the Rolex brand than watches.

So: yup.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by 1William

Interesting discussion. This is really a post about cost which equates to money. Leave that out and we fall back to personal opinion about movements, finish and wear. I don't think it is a discussion because based on price, either retail or secondary, the Daytona and the Speedmaster are not going head to head. For me, neither, even though I have owned them all on both sides of the discussion.

For many, you are correct. But for me, I couldn't read the time easily on my Daytona. I have a black speedy that I can read the time without my reading glasses. I had trouble seeing the time on my Daytona with my reading glasses on. On a pure legibility perspective the Daytona was severly lacking.

The Daytona bracelet was more comfortable, but I doubled my money selling it to someone that needed one badly enough to pay way too much.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Maleg

For many, you are correct. But for me, I couldn't read the time easily on my Daytona. I have a black speedy that I can read the time without my reading glasses. I had trouble seeing the time on my Daytona with my reading glasses on. On a pure legibility perspective the Daytona was severly lacking.

The Daytona bracelet was more comfortable, but I doubled my money selling it to someone that needed one badly enough to pay way too much.

The legibility is an issue for me as well.

I know to some it’s not as important, but to me it’s pretty up there in terms of whether a watch will last …

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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The legibility is an issue for me as well.

I know to some it’s not as important, but to me it’s pretty up there in terms of whether a watch will last …

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The hands on the Daytona are so well camoflaged.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The legibility is an issue for me as well.

I know to some it’s not as important, but to me it’s pretty up there in terms of whether a watch will last …

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Exactly this for me as well. Look at the picture in post 1 - perfect example

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Exactly this for me as well. Look at the picture in post 1 - perfect example

A more direct comparison


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[HogwldFLTR]

Both work well enough. They're both blue, too.

[Marcjvr]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Both work well enough. They're both blue, too.

How dare you equate Rolex with a Subaru!!!

[Oxfordian]

White dial Speedy is just superb, I buy watches to tell the time, if I cannot see the time quickly and simply it doesn't matter how hyped it is, how overblown it's reputation is, I'm not owning one.

The white dial Speedmaster is so so so much better than the white dial Daytona IMHO, I just love that Speedmaster look. In fact I'd go as far as saying that any Speedy blows any Daytona out of the water, to be blunt; if my AD offered me a Daytona I'd pass.

I do not doubt the quality of the Rolex, I know from owning Rolex watches that they are well built and reliable, the Daytona's movement is highly rated and am sure that the Daytona would be a watch to keep forever.

But, and it is a huge but, for me it is a design that just leaves me cold, if Rolex made the next Daytona look more like a Speedmaster I'd be banging the AD's door down to get one.

[sambb]

it is interesting that on the secondary market, a canopus gold speedy is about the price of the panda. I like the canopus gold one at secondary market prices - a little more subtle and interesting... for those who like PM. Nevertheless, the true speedys are steel

[John Doyle]

The daytona looks better and feels better built than the speedmaster to me.

[njlam]

I personally find the SS Daytonas hard to read and that screw in pushers make the watch an impractical chrono. The Rolex Oyster bracelet is the best in the business. That being said, it is the ultimate flex watch to the degree that is important. It is not important to me.

The Speedy is very legible and easy to use. At 42mm, I find my 3861 a little large, and the current bracelet uninspiring. To me the chrono flex is the 321 Ed White. Historically significant movement, 39mm size, flat link bracelet. This watch is as hard to buy retail as the SS Daytona.


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[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by sambb

it is interesting that on the secondary market, a canopus gold speedy is about the price of the panda. I like the canopus gold one at secondary market prices - a little more subtle and interesting... for those who like PM. Nevertheless, the true speedys are steel

Those gold speedmasters are beautiful. I would hands down take a gold speedy over a SS Daytona


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[ratty]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The legibility is an issue for me as well.

I know to some it’s not as important, but to me it’s pretty up there in terms of whether a watch will last …

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I think this is a really nice photo, very clear.

I don't think there is any doubt that this Speedmaster 321 is a bit easier to read than this Daytona, but I don't find that I have the problems that some other have with seeing the time on Daytonas.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by ratty

I think this is a really nice photo, very clear.

I don't think there is any doubt that this Speedmaster 321 is a bit easier to read than this Daytona, but I don't find that I have the problems that some other have with seeing the time on Daytonas.

and besides … a few extra moments to glance at the time isn’t all bad is it?


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[ratty]

Originally Posted by brandrea

and besides … a few extra moments to glance at the time isn’t all bad is it?


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I find the real difference is in the dark. The Speedmasters I have all seem to have better lume than my Daytonas. My 321 is my favourite as far as lume is concerned.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by ratty

I find the real difference is in the dark. The Speedmasters I have all seem to have better lume than my Daytonas. My 321 is my favourite as far as lume is concerned.

Have to agree the 321 lume is really outstanding. I’d say it’s even more legible than my Submariner.

Here is a side by side with the Snoopy. Legibility is no contest




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[Carguy87]

Originally Posted by 928ktgold

Then why make a false statement. 3861 movement is newer than the architecture of the Daytona movement that has been around since 2000

Not a false statement, just my observation of modern Rolex movements and their woes with keeping accurate time (see the tons of threads complaining about having to send a Rolex under warranty back to RSC for timekeeping issues). My Speedmaster Moonphase keeps time better than either of my Rolex pieces. In fact I’d bet my James Cameron isn’t holding anywhere close to the 2+- sec/day and would qualify for warranty repair, but I don’t want to be without it for 6 months.

As a side point to your comment the 4131 in the Daytona was released in 2023, the 3861 for Omega in 2021 so it has been around longer. And that movement is based on the Lemania 1873 which was released in 1968…you know back a full 20 years before Rolex even released the Daytona (with a movement they bought from Zenith).

Still love my Rolex watches, but for timekeeping accuracy I’ve found my Speedmaster to be superior. Now my Speedy does have an automatic movement, so it is different than the hand wound movement in the white dial being compared.


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[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Carguy87

Not a false statement, just my observation of modern Rolex movements and their woes with keeping accurate time (see the tons of threads complaining about having to send a Rolex under warranty back to RSC for timekeeping issues). My Speedmaster Moonphase keeps time better than either of my Rolex pieces. In fact I’d bet my James Cameron isn’t holding anywhere close to the 2+- sec/day and would qualify for warranty repair, but I don’t want to be without it for 6 months.

As a side point to your comment the 4131 in the Daytona was released in 2023, the 3861 for Omega in 2021 so it has been around longer. And that movement is based on the Lemania 1873 which was released in 1968…you know back a full 20 years before Rolex even released the Daytona (with a movement they bought from Zenith).

Still love my Rolex watches, but for timekeeping accuracy I’ve found my Speedmaster to be superior. Now my Speedy does have an automatic movement, so it is different than the hand wound movement in the white dial being compared.


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FYI, I sent two into RSC about a long year ago, maybe 18mos. Both took right at a month.

[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by Kevin of Larchmont

Logic aside, if each of those two watches magically appeared in my watch box and I asked myself which one I would wear first the answer is hands down the Daytona, even though I’m not a Daytona fan I am a Rolex fan.

I agree with this. This is the camp that I'm in. Daytonas don't really appeal to me (they're neat, sure), but Omegas appeal to me less.

[Carguy87]

Originally Posted by Easy E

FYI, I sent two into RSC about a long year ago, maybe 18mos. Both took right at a month.

Good to know! Maybe the JC is headed for the shop after all lol

[mpkRolex]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The legibility is an issue for me as well.

I know to some it’s not as important, but to me it’s pretty up there in terms of whether a watch will last …

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I can ready the Daytona during the day. After the sun goes down the Daytona goes in the case and my Pepsi goes on the wrist. Its high contrast works great throughout the night until the crack of the dawn. And then the Daytona is back ON>

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by mpkRolex

I can ready the Daytona during the day. After the sun goes down the Daytona goes in the case and my Pepsi goes on the wrist. Its high contrast works great throughout the night until the crack of the dawn. And then the Daytona is back ON>

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[1259]

I think the omega is overpriced. Much rather have the Daytona.