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spangman · 26 January 2010, 08:12 AM

First off, Hello! I have been lurking for a while now and now have something "post-worthy"

I have an opportunity to pick up a nice Sub date. I believe it is a 1996 (don't have serial to check yet) and was serviced a little over a year ago by a private jeweler. It has all of the boxes and paperwork. Condition seems very nice for a watch that is 14 years old. Price is at $2500.

I think it is a good price, but how good of a price is it? I love the Subs in all of their flavors but really wanted an Exp II for my first Rolex. Realistically speaking, do I have enough breathing room in this watch for me to make some money if I decide this watch isn't for me?

Regards,
Jamie

Tools · 26 January 2010, 10:07 AM

That is a very good price for a Sub Date.......

But if you don't really want it...don't buy it.. Let somebody who really wants a Sub have a shot..

SLS · 26 January 2010, 10:09 AM

Welcome! Take some pics of the watch and post them here! That is a very good price, almost too good to be true IMO.
Scott

toph · 26 January 2010, 10:10 AM

welcome to TRF, it is a good price for sure, but if you truly want the EXP II then don't just buy the sub for the sake of buying a rolex

tandrup · 26 January 2010, 10:11 AM

Let me put it this way: Contact me if you are not buying it. It sounds like a good deal if it is legit and has a decent service history.

Atomant · 26 January 2010, 10:13 AM

Hope to see your submariner soon. Please post some pictures byt he way.

HL65 · 26 January 2010, 10:14 AM

Great deal..Get it!!

CPTL · 26 January 2010, 10:27 AM

Can't believe folks here are counseling you not to buy a Sub!! I'm guessing many of them also PMed you asking for the dealer's contact info, and observing that you "really want the Explorer-II..."

So...sounds like you really want the Explorer-II...and what was the name of the dealer offering this Sub???

Seriously, that's a very good price on a 16610 of any age, particularly if it's been recently serviced. If you're sure that it's legit (including all genuine Rolex parts--you mentioned a recent service by a "private" watchmaker) then that is a fantastic price. Biggest concern would be the bracelet, which could be in bad shape on a 15-yo watch, and would run you $500-$1000 to replace.

As far as the Sub v. Expy...I would be the first to tell you that if you only want one Rolex, the Explorer-II is a fantastic choice. Very comfortable wearing, versatile, and functional. I wear mine much, much more than my Sub.

But...$4000 to $4500 is a reasonable price to pay for a Sub. You should be able to get an Expy-II for around $2500 to $3000. If you buy this Sub, you should be able to get both for around $5500. And it won't be hard to get your money back out of the Sub if you don't like it.

Again, assuming the watch is legit.

Rscmaine · 26 January 2010, 10:37 AM

Buy the Sub for $2500 (assuming it is legit), sell it for $3500, buy your EXP, pocket the profit.

URDOC · 26 January 2010, 11:01 AM

If you list your seller's phone number and location, we'll be better able to help you.

clubsta · 26 January 2010, 11:14 AM

Grab it dude!

JBat · 26 January 2010, 11:15 AM

Can't go wrong with a Sub, especially at that price. Welcome to TRF.

DarkHorse · 26 January 2010, 11:16 AM

That's an excellent price - provided everything is kosher. My advice is buy the watch before the seller sobers up and realises he's taking a thousand dollar bath on the price he's selling at. As for the Explorer, it's not going anywhere - make it your second Rolex :)

sea-dweller · 26 January 2010, 12:40 PM

Agreed, this is a good price for a Sub Date...

scl6118 · 26 January 2010, 02:18 PM

I would get it.

rmcarlton · 26 January 2010, 02:44 PM

Great price. Classic watch.

Rscmaine · 26 January 2010, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spangman

First off, Hello! I have been lurking for a while now and now have something "post-worthy"

"Post worthy"???

That's never stopped any of us before.....

tattooedfagin · 26 January 2010, 09:30 PM

if the seller's ok to have it verified at an AD & it checks out ok rip his arm off at that price

Adam100 · 26 January 2010, 10:20 PM

Hi and wellcome

Thats a really god price, I would buy it try it for a while and if I dont like it sell it with a good profit and buy the Explorer.

spangman · 27 January 2010, 07:58 AM

Update, I know the seller really well and am trying to talk him into selling to someone else for a little more (say $3k). I am not really in a position right now to buy it unless I "have" to... But I went ahead and freed up some money so I can.

Cliff Notes: I don't really want to buy the watch from a friend and "profiteer" from his need to sell

Rebel · 27 January 2010, 08:42 AM

Buy it or PM the sellers name and number to me.

spangman · 30 January 2010, 08:20 AM

Well... I bought it, I'm still not sure if I want to keep it, sell it or trade it. I will post up some pics later tonight. I really like the Exp II and I have a feeling that is what I will end up with in the end.

rfknauss · 30 January 2010, 08:44 AM

Jamie, welcome to TRF!
The submariner is an awesome watch and at that price seems like a great deal.

WJGESQ · 30 January 2010, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spangman

First off, Hello! I have been lurking for a while now and now have something "post-worthy"

I have an opportunity to pick up a nice Sub date. I believe it is a 1996 (don't have serial to check yet) and was serviced a little over a year ago by a private jeweler. It has all of the boxes and paperwork. Condition seems very nice for a watch that is 14 years old. Price is at $2500.

I think it is a good price, but how good of a price is it? I love the Subs in all of their flavors but really wanted an Exp II for my first Rolex. Realistically speaking, do I have enough breathing room in this watch for me to make some money if I decide this watch isn't for me?

Regards,
Jamie

If Rolex is your thing, you should by-pass the Explore--its looks small and basic to the point of boring. Go for sub.

I am way more of an Omega fan, but I doubt many here would direct you towards the (low resale) Explorer over the ever popular sub.

Right?

timeisfathaoftruth · 30 January 2010, 12:19 PM

Questions don't get any easier...If it's legit buy it.

spangman · 30 January 2010, 12:38 PM

Here it is, I need to get another link to wear it though. Also, I have a new respect for all of you that take such sweet pics of your watches. This one really sucks, but hopefully I will have some better lighting this weekend.

26 January 2010, 08:12 AM	#1
spangman "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4	Submariner -To buy or not to buy...... First off, Hello! I have been lurking for a while now and now have something "post-worthy" I have an opportunity to pick up a nice Sub date. I believe it is a 1996 (don't have serial to check yet) and was serviced a little over a year ago by a private jeweler. It has all of the boxes and paperwork. Condition seems very nice for a watch that is 14 years old. Price is at $2500. I think it is a good price, but how good of a price is it? I love the Subs in all of their flavors but really wanted an Exp II for my first Rolex. Realistically speaking, do I have enough breathing room in this watch for me to make some money if I decide this watch isn't for me? Regards, Jamie

26 January 2010, 10:07 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,342	That is a very good price for a Sub Date....... But if you don't really want it...don't buy it.. Let somebody who really wants a Sub have a shot.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

26 January 2010, 10:09 AM	#3
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	Welcome! Take some pics of the watch and post them here! That is a very good price, almost too good to be true IMO. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

26 January 2010, 10:10 AM	#4
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	welcome to TRF, it is a good price for sure, but if you truly want the EXP II then don't just buy the sub for the sake of buying a rolex __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

26 January 2010, 10:11 AM	#5
tandrup "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: USA Watch: 14060M Posts: 921	Let me put it this way: Contact me if you are not buying it. It sounds like a good deal if it is legit and has a decent service history. __________________ Regards, Lars 14060M, 16570 White, 116200 Tuxedo Dial Georg Jensen 2347

26 January 2010, 10:13 AM	#6
Atomant "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fernwood Posts: 3,455	Hope to see your submariner soon. Please post some pictures byt he way. __________________ 116613LN 16600SD 16610LV 116710 16710 16570 Speedy 3570.50 PAM25 Oris TT1 and a bunch of G-Shocks. Flipped: Daytona 116520 Seamaster 2231.80

26 January 2010, 10:14 AM	#7
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,706	Great deal..Get it!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

26 January 2010, 10:27 AM	#8
CPTL "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Texas on my mind Watch: Sub Date; SS/WG DJ Posts: 2,445	Can't believe folks here are counseling you not to buy a Sub!! I'm guessing many of them also PMed you asking for the dealer's contact info, and observing that you "really want the Explorer-II..." So...sounds like you really want the Explorer-II...and what was the name of the dealer offering this Sub??? Seriously, that's a very good price on a 16610 of any age, particularly if it's been recently serviced. If you're sure that it's legit (including all genuine Rolex parts--you mentioned a recent service by a "private" watchmaker) then that is a fantastic price. Biggest concern would be the bracelet, which could be in bad shape on a 15-yo watch, and would run you $500-$1000 to replace. As far as the Sub v. Expy...I would be the first to tell you that if you only want one Rolex, the Explorer-II is a fantastic choice. Very comfortable wearing, versatile, and functional. I wear mine much, much more than my Sub. But...$4000 to $4500 is a reasonable price to pay for a Sub. You should be able to get an Expy-II for around $2500 to $3000. If you buy this Sub, you should be able to get both for around $5500. And it won't be hard to get your money back out of the Sub if you don't like it. Again, assuming the watch is legit. __________________ 16610 Submariner Date; D Serial 16234 DateJust SS with WG Fluted Bezel & Jubillee, White Roman Dial; F Serial 16570 Explorer II White Dial; M Serial And Hers: 78240 Mid-Size DateJust SS with Domed Bezel & Oyster, White Roman; D Serial

26 January 2010, 10:37 AM	#9
Rscmaine "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Nat Parkinson Location: Maine, USA Watch: me pull a rabbit.. Posts: 1,196	Buy the Sub for $2500 (assuming it is legit), sell it for $3500, buy your EXP, pocket the profit. __________________ When the alien spaceships actually landed, to everyone's surprise, it turned out that the world's governments had not been hiding anything. They were just as clueless as the rest of us!

26 January 2010, 11:01 AM	#10
URDOC Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA Watch: TT Sub Serti Dial Posts: 55	If you list your seller's phone number and location, we'll be better able to help you.

26 January 2010, 11:14 AM	#11
clubsta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: John Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 223	Grab it dude!

26 January 2010, 11:15 AM	#12
JBat "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington Watch: 16710, 16610, DJ Posts: 7,329	Can't go wrong with a Sub, especially at that price. Welcome to TRF.

26 January 2010, 11:16 AM	#13
DarkHorse "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Sydney Watch: 118239 Posts: 413	That's an excellent price - provided everything is kosher. My advice is buy the watch before the seller sobers up and realises he's taking a thousand dollar bath on the price he's selling at. As for the Explorer, it's not going anywhere - make it your second Rolex :) __________________ The world is safe again... but for how long? Current: TAG Heuer 2000 Classic, Kobold Phantom Tactical Chronograph, Rolex Submariner 16610, Breitling Superocean Heritage Chronograph A13320 (Crowe Edition), Rolex Day-Date 118239 Last edited by DarkHorse; 26 January 2010 at 11:16 AM.. Reason: typo

26 January 2010, 12:40 PM	#14
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Agreed, this is a good price for a Sub Date... __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

26 January 2010, 02:18 PM	#15
scl6118 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Shawn Location: United States Watch: SS GMT IIC Posts: 1,624	I would get it. __________________ Current: SS GMT IIC Former: Panerai 114 Former: Breitling Hercules :

26 January 2010, 02:44 PM	#16
rmcarlton "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Monty Location: Georgia Watch: Sub LV Posts: 787	Great price. Classic watch.

26 January 2010, 09:30 PM	#18
tattooedfagin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Chad Location: the neighbourhood Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 2,262	if the seller's ok to have it verified at an AD & it checks out ok rip his arm off at that price

26 January 2010, 10:20 PM	#19
Adam100 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sweden Watch: 116610LN & 116520 Posts: 69	Hi and wellcome Thats a really god price, I would buy it try it for a while and if I dont like it sell it with a good profit and buy the Explorer.

27 January 2010, 07:58 AM	#20
spangman "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4	Update, I know the seller really well and am trying to talk him into selling to someone else for a little more (say $3k). I am not really in a position right now to buy it unless I "have" to... But I went ahead and freed up some money so I can. Cliff Notes: I don't really want to buy the watch from a friend and "profiteer" from his need to sell

27 January 2010, 08:42 AM	#21
Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail Location: New Albany Watch: Tudor Sub 75090 Posts: 8,138	Buy it or PM the sellers name and number to me. __________________ ------------------------------- Member of the Nylon Nation

30 January 2010, 08:20 AM	#22
spangman "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4	Well... I bought it, I'm still not sure if I want to keep it, sell it or trade it. I will post up some pics later tonight. I really like the Exp II and I have a feeling that is what I will end up with in the end.

30 January 2010, 08:44 AM	#23
rfknauss 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Richard Location: Macungie, PA Watch: 5513 Sub, LV Sub Posts: 14,494	Jamie, welcome to TRF! The submariner is an awesome watch and at that price seems like a great deal. __________________ *"Few things in life give man as great a pleasure as wearing a Rolex!"* TRF's "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron

30 January 2010, 12:19 PM	#25
timeisfathaoftruth "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Ed Location: New England Watch: Sub,Daytona,GMT,YM Posts: 997	Questions don't get any easier...If it's legit buy it.

30 January 2010, 12:38 PM	#26
spangman "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: PA Posts: 4	Here it is, I need to get another link to wear it though. Also, I have a new respect for all of you that take such sweet pics of your watches. This one really sucks, but hopefully I will have some better lighting this weekend.

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