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wicked1044 · 12 November 2012, 06:02 AM

Input needed.. Im looking to purchase a Y serial (2002) 16613 serti that was purchased in the summer of 2009 from an AD as the papers show. The seller has about a year left on the rolex warrenty from a serives that was done 7/11/11. On looking at the "Retail Summary" of the service it states the following:
Factory Movt Service- pres prf, bzl insert & tube: 555.00
Refinish Case and bracelet: 0
Dial-Steel, 8dia 3 saphrs y/g set 1725.00
Winding Crown monobloc: 120.00
Pair of hands-Y/G lumi: 54.00
Second hand-Y/G lumi: 27.00
My question is why would someone get a new dial after buying in 2009? Here is the paperwork! thanks

MonBK · 12 November 2012, 06:21 AM

Could have been a dial color change?

crowncollection · 12 November 2012, 07:29 AM

looks like he added the diamond dial at service, it probably did not have one when it was originally made

wicked1044 · 12 November 2012, 08:48 AM

i dnt think so, orginal paperwork shows it was a serti.. take a look

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

looks like he added the diamond dial at service, it probably did not have one when it was originally made

RRsDJ · 12 November 2012, 09:47 AM

Isnt there a silver color and champagne color. Maybe he swapped out dial colors. Not even sure if you can do that, just throwing it out there.

T. Ferguson · 12 November 2012, 11:38 AM

Kind of strange. If the watch was bought new in May of 2009 and serviced with the dial replacement in July of 2011, then if something was inherently wrong with the dial the owner missed getting it fixed under warranty by only a month or two. So it sounds like either something happened that wouldn't be covered under warranty or some defect showed up unluckily right after the warranty expired.

There's not a lot of reason to get a 2 year old watch serviced so it would appear the dial change was the reason it went in to RSC.

Also, consider a Y serial is a case stamp from circa 2002 so the watch could possibly have been sitting somewhere for 7 years before it was sold.

Have you asked the seller for an explanation?

flyinbrian · 12 November 2012, 11:47 AM

Paperwork states diamond bezel set not dial, not sure if that makes a difference.

RRsDJ · 12 November 2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinbrian

Paperwork states diamond bezel set not dial, not sure if that makes a difference.

It's states dial with diamonds & sapphires YG: $1725

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flyinbrian · 12 November 2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RRsDJ

It's states dial with diamonds: $1725

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Original paperwork.

RRsDJ · 12 November 2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinbrian

Original paperwork.

Little misleading on the paperwork. It says dial: slate with bezel set diamonds so I guess you're right. So where are the bezel diamonds?

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wicked1044 · 12 November 2012, 12:24 PM

I didn't ask yet. As for the potential color change the original paperwork says slate color which it is.

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

Kind of strange. If the watch was bought new in May of 2009 and serviced with the dial replacement in July of 2011, then if something was inherently wrong with the dial the owner missed getting it fixed under warranty by only a month or two. So it sounds like either something happened that wouldn't be covered under warranty or some defect showed up unluckily right after the warranty expired.

There's not a lot of reason to get a 2 year old watch serviced so it would appear the dial change was the reason it went in to RSC.

Also, consider a Y serial is a case stamp from circa 2002 so the watch could possibly have been sitting somewhere for 7 years before it was sold.

Have you asked the seller for an explanation?

RRsDJ · 12 November 2012, 12:24 PM

But wouldn't bezel set mean they're round set round in the dial like a bezel surrounding the diamonds?

I think bezel set means serti dial because its under the dial description on the original paperwork.

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wicked1044 · 12 November 2012, 01:00 PM

I agree.. someone has got to know the answer here..

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Originally Posted by RRsDJ

But wouldn't bezel set mean they're round set round in the dial like a bezel surrounding the diamonds?

I think bezel set means serti dial because its under the dial description on the original paperwork.

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MonBK · 12 November 2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wicked1044

I agree.. someone has got to know the answer here..

Yes, the owner will know and is the one to ask instead of feeding us one bit at a time.

hdrazor251 · 12 November 2012, 04:57 PM

Service plus new hands and dial ... water damage

crowncollection · 12 November 2012, 05:05 PM

This is a mystery, paperwork definitely says serti and you state it's the same colour ? No reason usually to change it usually I have no idea on this one, the original owner must know something. We can all speculate but we are just guessing.

wicked1044 · 12 November 2012, 11:54 PM

Current owner doesn't know. States he bought it from someone on here.

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Yes, the owner will know and is the one to ask instead of feeding us one bit at a time.

MonBK · 12 November 2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wicked1044

Current owner doesn't know. States he bought it from someone on here.

Then ask the "someone" on here that sold it?

Since Avant Gold closed it's doors you can't ask them either but if you PM'd DeeGee then maybe you could get your answer.

wicked1044 · 13 November 2012, 01:07 PM

i got the sellers name and sent him a PM. Also what "DeeGee" mean?

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Then ask the "someone" on here that sold it?

Since Avant Gold closed it's doors you can't ask them either but if you PM'd DeeGee then maybe you could get your answer.

77T · 13 November 2012, 01:56 PM

I think he meant UID DeeGee here on TRF

wicked1044 · 14 November 2012, 01:50 AM

Still dnt know what you mean. ?

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I think he meant UID DeeGee here on TRF

wicked1044 · 14 November 2012, 08:44 AM

ok got an answer! The dial had started to get circles on it and change color, that's all. There was no water damage.

T. Ferguson · 14 November 2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wicked1044

ok got an answer! The dial had started to get circles on it and change color, that's all. There was no water damage.

Wow, the dial must have deteriorated rather quickly because I'd think if it was at least noticeable even two months earlier the owner would have had it fixed under warranty.

hdrazor251 · 14 November 2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wicked1044

ok got an answer! The dial had started to get circles on it and change color, that's all. There was no water damage.

Hmmm ... then why the hands?

wicked1044 · 15 November 2012, 03:18 AM

from Rolex in NYC: Because if the dial discolors and new hands are not put on you will be able to tell they don't match up colorwise. I do agree its a lot of $$ to get it serviced.

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Hmmm ... then why the hands?

Welshwatchman · 16 November 2012, 01:25 AM

Also bear in mind the dial was changed after NINE years.

2002 production - 2011 service. 9 years.

12 November 2012, 06:02 AM	#1
wicked1044 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Wayne Location: NY Watch: Rolex Serti Slate Posts: 54	Would a 16613 Serti need a new dial after 2 years? Input needed.. Im looking to purchase a Y serial (2002) 16613 serti that was purchased in the summer of 2009 from an AD as the papers show. The seller has about a year left on the rolex warrenty from a serives that was done 7/11/11. On looking at the "Retail Summary" of the service it states the following: Factory Movt Service- pres prf, bzl insert & tube: 555.00 Refinish Case and bracelet: 0 Dial-Steel, 8dia 3 saphrs y/g set 1725.00 Winding Crown monobloc: 120.00 Pair of hands-Y/G lumi: 54.00 Second hand-Y/G lumi: 27.00 My question is why would someone get a new dial after buying in 2009? Here is the paperwork! thanks Last edited by sleddog; 15 November 2012 at 02:18 PM..

12 November 2012, 07:29 AM	#3
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,187	looks like he added the diamond dial at service, it probably did not have one when it was originally made __________________ watches many

12 November 2012, 04:57 PM	#15
hdrazor251 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Jeff Location: Arizona Watch: is recovered!! Posts: 4,254	Service plus new hands and dial ... water damage __________________ 16753 GMT Master, 16613 Bluesy, 16710 GMT Master II, 16570 Polar Explorer II-Stolen & Recovered!! Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

12 November 2012, 05:05 PM	#16
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,187	This is a mystery, paperwork definitely says serti and you state it's the same colour ? No reason usually to change it usually I have no idea on this one, the original owner must know something. We can all speculate but we are just guessing. __________________ watches many

13 November 2012, 01:56 PM	#20
77T 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,628	I think he meant UID DeeGee here on TRF __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

12 November 2012, 06:21 AM	#2
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Could have been a dial color change?

12 November 2012, 09:47 AM	#5
RRsDJ Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Watch: 16078 / 16618 Posts: 434	Isnt there a silver color and champagne color. Maybe he swapped out dial colors. Not even sure if you can do that, just throwing it out there.

12 November 2012, 11:38 AM	#6
T. Ferguson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Left Coast Posts: 7,025	Kind of strange. If the watch was bought new in May of 2009 and serviced with the dial replacement in July of 2011, then if something was inherently wrong with the dial the owner missed getting it fixed under warranty by only a month or two. So it sounds like either something happened that wouldn't be covered under warranty or some defect showed up unluckily right after the warranty expired. There's not a lot of reason to get a 2 year old watch serviced so it would appear the dial change was the reason it went in to RSC. Also, consider a Y serial is a case stamp from circa 2002 so the watch could possibly have been sitting somewhere for 7 years before it was sold. Have you asked the seller for an explanation?

12 November 2012, 11:47 AM	#7
flyinbrian 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: AZ Watch: Rolex Posts: 859	Paperwork states diamond bezel set not dial, not sure if that makes a difference.

12 November 2012, 12:24 PM	#12
RRsDJ Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Florida Watch: 16078 / 16618 Posts: 434	But wouldn't bezel set mean they're round set round in the dial like a bezel surrounding the diamonds? I think bezel set means serti dial because its under the dial description on the original paperwork. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

14 November 2012, 08:44 AM	#22
wicked1044 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Wayne Location: NY Watch: Rolex Serti Slate Posts: 54	ok got an answer! The dial had started to get circles on it and change color, that's all. There was no water damage.

16 November 2012, 01:25 AM	#26
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	Also bear in mind the dial was changed after NINE years. 2002 production - 2011 service. 9 years.

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