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Omega_Precision · 4 January 2009, 08:01 PM

What is everyone's thoughts of this newly retired SMP? Was it a mistake on Omega's part to retire this watch? What are the reasons? Slow sales?

As an owner of this great watch, I think it's kind of bitter sweet that I won't be seeing this watch in AD's. It's always great to see your watch in the display case even when you have it on your very own wrist. It reminds me of all the great classic Omega dive watches such as the 300 that influenced the likes of the 2254......

I think of all SMP's that are made by Omega the 2254 looks more like a tool watch than any other SMP's.

gaopa · 5 January 2009, 06:32 AM

While I don't know the reason the 2254.50 was discontinued, I do think it is a big mistake on the part of Omega. I was fortunate enough, through the help of Fr. John, to get one from our favorite AD before they are all gone. I am crazy about my SMP! Cheers, Bill P.

timackerman · 5 January 2009, 08:47 AM

Wow, I didn't know they discontinued it!

I sold mine a year ago, but might have to think about picking up one now since they are discontinued. It is a great watch, and I think it is a mistake for Omega to discontinue it.

jmsrolls · 5 January 2009, 12:03 PM

The 2254.50 has been discontinued as Omega is implementing the co-axial technology across their lines. Sales were not a problem as the 2254.50 was one of Omega's most popular models and sold well. Some call it a "poor man's Sub" as the quality is comparable for one-third the cost.

The cal. 1120 movement is as accurate and reliable as they get and although the co-axial is theoretically better, the 1120 is tried and true - a proven workhorse.

Many believe that Omega will introduce a co-axial model similar to the 2254.50 but expect the MSRP to be in the $3500 range rather than the current $2300. Still considerably cheaper than the Sub.

Personally, I prefer the 1120 over the co-axial so I'll keep the one I have.

My AD received the last batch of 2254.50s out of Bienne and still has a few in stock.

Fr. John†

Golfster · 5 January 2009, 12:16 PM

I have a tendency (or bad habit) to purchase in this manner...I heard the 2254 was being discontinued...I liked it OK up to that point, yet I then had to have one. I was in Orlando on a trip, on my way to dinner, walked into an AD...they had a new example in the case next to the PO's. I tried it on, keeping in mind my dinner reservations, we played a quick game "what if" negotiations. They suggested they could meet me in the bar at Captial Grille (the restaurant where I was dining) with the watch sized for me to "try" during dinner to see if I liked the feel...."Then decide," they said. After paying for dinner I returned to the AD and paid for the watch. A great experience and a great watch.

The watch fits and feels great, keeps excellent time, durable, etc. I purchased a Sub and GMT-II this year as well, yet this watch gets a considerable amount of wrist time.

Go for it if you like it!!

Omega_Precision · 5 January 2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmsrolls

The 2254.50 has been discontinued as Omega is implementing the co-axial technology across their lines. Sales were not a problem as the 2254.50 was one of Omega's most popular models and sold well. Some call it a "poor man's Sub" as the quality is comparable for one-third the cost.

The cal. 1120 movement is as accurate and reliable as they get and although the co-axial is theoretically better, the 1120 is tried and true - a proven workhorse.

Many believe that Omega will introduce a co-axial model similar to the 2254.50 but expect the MSRP to be in the $3500 range rather than the current $2300. Still considerably cheaper than the Sub.

Personally, I prefer the 1120 over the co-axial so I'll keep the one I have.

My AD received the last batch of 2254.50s out of Bienne and still has a few in stock.

Fr. John†

I am going to have to disagree with it being a poor man's SUB. As much as I love Rolex, it still doesn't have the feel of an Omega. I was at the mall today and tried on the new GMTIIc and I came out disappointed. The new clasp is cool but the bracelet still feels cheap still. I thought it would have a nice weight to it but it didn't compared to Omega's. I had the sales lady hold my 2254 and hold the GMTIIc in each hand and tell her to give me her honest opinion. She picked my Omega...lol....she asked why I had sold my last Rolex and I told her I had to upgrade to an Omega....I still love Rolex and their mystique but I find myself more drawn towards vintage pieces that I collect now. For a modern day society, I think it's unacceptable for Rolex to produce a watch that doesn't feel what it's worth, 20-30 years ago you may feel like you got your money's worth but today?..no.

jmsrolls · 5 January 2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega_Precision

I am going to have to disagree with it being a poor man's SUB. As much as I love Rolex, it still doesn't have the feel of an Omega. I was at the mall today and tried on the new GMTIIc and I came out disappointed. The new clasp is cool but the bracelet still feels cheap still. I thought it would have a nice weight to it but it didn't compared to Omega's. I had the sales lady hold my 2254 and hold the GMTIIc in each hand and tell her to give me her honest opinion. She picked my Omega...lol....she asked why I had sold my last Rolex and I told her I had to upgrade to an Omega....I still love Rolex and their mystique but I find myself more drawn towards vintage pieces that I collect now. For a modern day society, I think it's unacceptable for Rolex to produce a watch that doesn't feel what it's worth, 20-30 years ago you may feel like you got your money's worth but today?..no.

I prefer the SMP to the Sub as do others: SMP vs. Sub. I could own either but the 2254.50 is the dive watch of choice in my collection.

Last Friday I stopped by a long time Rolex AD who has recently added Omega. I was wearing my EXPII and walked up to the Rolex case where one of the owners was standing. He and I chatted as he pulled out a new DSSD for me to peruse as well as the old SDD and GMTIIc.

As we discussed the pros and cons of each, one of his sales people brought over the new QoS PO for some cross brand comparison. The sales person had done his homework and pointed out what he said was the "superior features" of the Omega even delved into the dive history of the Seamaster. The owner admitted that he had not had time to learn about the Omegas but even he was impressed.

I bought the EXPII to fill the GMT niche in my collection. I needed a watch with a lower profile, literally and figuratively, than the Omega GMT I had. After removal of the Cyclops, I am quite happy with the Explorer but my 2254.50 gets more wrist time.

Fr. John†

Ken Cox · 6 January 2009, 07:22 AM

I suspect Omega wants to raise the price for this type of watch in order to take advantage of the marketing work Rolex has done to elevate a tool watch to stratospheric prices.

However, Omega can't just arbitrarily raise the price without incurring negative effects.

Therefore, Omega must remove the watch from the market and then reintroduce it as NEW and IMPROVED, which justifies the increase in price (still a bargain compared to a Rolex).

moviefreak · 8 January 2009, 06:24 PM

Looks like Omega has a hard time increasing the prices.... everywhere you go.. you go and get 20% off on an omega (cash) but Rolex.. usually is 10% or 1000USD.

Cheers,

MVF

Portzed · 8 January 2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega_Precision

I am going to have to disagree with it being a poor man's SUB.

I agree on this point, the 2254.50 is to many the preferred diver's watch, but each to their own eh

I have owned both Subs/Dwellers and the 2254.50, the latter was the keeper

when I was forced to reduce the collection this year

cdmackay · 10 January 2009, 11:50 AM

I showed my new 2254.50 to a friend with a 1960s Rolex GMT today, and we swapped for a bit. I was amazed at how much smaller and lighter the GMT was; it felt almost like a toy.

I've had mine since xmas day, and I still catch myself looking at it admiringly :)

mikea · 11 January 2009, 01:38 AM

love mine! in a way i'm kind of glad they discontinued this watch....this watch is certainly not rare or limited but to me its kind of appealing omega isn't making the watch anymore.

Alan111 · 11 January 2009, 09:50 AM

I heard from a few people that they discontinued it due to a new co-axial type movement. Regardless, I have been eyeing this watch. I want to buy this watch as an everyday "beater" - it looks magnificent. I still see them around, and don't think it'll be hard to get one, if you really wanted one.

Stupid move imho by omega, as they should have at least waited to release the new one, before dropping the 'old one'. Rolex still produced both the SeaDweller and the DeepSea, but now it seems that they will be dropping the SeaDweller ion favor of the Deepsea. Omega should have followed this route and allowed potentional new buyer to make a decision between the two before the 2254 becomes "extint"

wantonebad · 12 January 2009, 07:01 AM

I have a 2254.50 that my wife wears I wear this:

It’s last years Bond Model without the 007 second hand and it has the speedy bracelet instead of the 9 link seamaster bracelet. I love it and think the new 2254.50 whatever it ends up being will be close to this, JMHO oh it’s a reference 212.34.41.20.01.002 BTW

meloncap78 · 12 January 2009, 07:14 AM

I loved my 2254.50. It was a very substantial watch and well made. However, I sold it to help fund my LV along with my Pasha C. Yes the 2254.50 had a more substantial weight but if you take the bracelets off of both watches the case and heft of the Sub is more substantial. Yes the bracelet on the Sub feels clunky but.............the steel is of higher quality and frankly who needs all that weight on their wrist?? The subs bracelet hasn't changed much since the beginning and it does exactly what it was designed to do. Once locked on the wrist nothing is going to take it off. No buttons to accidentally push etc. Both watches are great but the Sub when really looked at is a much more crisp watch with a more robust movement IMHO. Just my 2c.

cdmackay · 12 January 2009, 07:22 AM

yup, I love my 2254.50, but I'd have a Sub-ND if I could afford one.

Portzed · 12 January 2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cdmackay

yup, I love my 2254.50, but I'd have a Sub-ND if I could afford one.

Crap lume tho

cdmackay · 12 January 2009, 10:28 AM

ah, the lume on the 2254 is a glorious thing; continues to amaze me. That and the sword hands are two reasons why I wish Omega hadn't discontinued it.

jets · 15 January 2009, 01:11 AM

Sorry if the thread takes a turn but wondered. Does anyone know if the 2231.50.00 is still being made? It's identical to the 2254.50 but is Titanium on Titanium. The only difference by looking at it is that the bezel is not black but titanium colored. I saw one at an AD yesterday but the numbers on the bezel were not black, just the same color as the bezel itself and thought it looked alright. Not sure what the price was though..

cdmackay · 15 January 2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jets

Sorry if the thread takes a turn but wondered. Does anyone know if the 2231.50.00 is still being made? It's identical to the 2254.50 but is Titanium on Titanium.

The Omega website doesn't list this as "sold out", unlike the 2254.50, so perhaps it is; good spot.

Another one to consider, when supplies of the 2254.50 do dry up, is the GMT version: 2234.50. Slight differences in the dial (lettering & white border around date) and of course it has the GMT hand and bezel, but otherwise it's very similar.

However, none of the above are in the 2008 Collection brochure, so they may all be gone soon.

jmsrolls · 15 January 2009, 05:03 AM

It is my understanding that none of the cal. 1120 based SMPs continue in production. This includes the Bond, the TI SMP models and the black and white dial GMTs,

This is not to say that some may not remain in the pipeline and on AD shelves.

When Omega announces that a model has been discontinued, my AD immediately places a large order for that model knowing that the demand will be there down the road.

As for the 2231.50, if anyone has it or can get it, my AD would be the guy to check with.

Fr. John†

cdmackay · 15 January 2009, 05:51 AM

thanks Father John; makes sense.

I'd really love a GMT to go with my 2254.50, but perhaps that's being silly :)

Portzed · 16 January 2009, 03:52 AM

Omega_Precision · 22 January 2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Portzed

That's one big thing I noticed from Rolex divers to Omega divers. Although bigger in size compared to the Subs and SD's, it wears very comfortably with the flatter case back. The case back is one beautiful lid!

Nakow · 15 June 2009, 01:01 PM

I feel so proud to own one 2254.50 now ! this one is my second one , but this time ,I won't let it go.

Rolex_99 · 23 November 2013, 08:33 PM

I think 2254 is discontinued becos of PO. Although PO and 2245 SMP both has its distinctive look. IMHO, PO still share its heritage from 2254.

2254 SMP is a great watch. Almost perfect except a major flaw which is the bezel grip. I remember bringing it to Phuket Thailand for snorkelling and have a hard time gripe and turning the bezel.

I owned both PO and SMP 2254 and if I need to sell one, from a practical usage point of view. PO will wins hands down. The PO sharp edge is grippy and the click is one of the best.

But I understand why Omega designed it with scallop bezel. From a aesthetic point of view, it looks from dressy and less tool watch like unlike the sharp edge bezel. But that just me, I want my watch to look nice but I also really want them to function like tool watch.

judodave1964 · 24 November 2013, 04:54 AM

It's a shame Omega discontinued the 2254.50 as I thought it was their best looking diving watch to date.

T.Mas · 23 September 2015, 11:44 AM

Years later, the 2254 is still awesome and even more desirable. It was never properly "replaced" by Omega.

4 January 2009, 08:01 PM	#1
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	Thoughts on the 2254.... What is everyone's thoughts of this newly retired SMP? Was it a mistake on Omega's part to retire this watch? What are the reasons? Slow sales? As an owner of this great watch, I think it's kind of bitter sweet that I won't be seeing this watch in AD's. It's always great to see your watch in the display case even when you have it on your very own wrist. It reminds me of all the great classic Omega dive watches such as the 300 that influenced the likes of the 2254...... I think of all SMP's that are made by Omega the 2254 looks more like a tool watch than any other SMP's.

5 January 2009, 08:47 AM	#3
timackerman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Tim Location: Calgary Posts: 1,117	Wow, I didn't know they discontinued it! I sold mine a year ago, but might have to think about picking up one now since they are discontinued. It is a great watch, and I think it is a mistake for Omega to discontinue it. __________________ Daytona 116520

11 January 2009, 01:38 AM	#12
mikea "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: mike Location: Dallas, Tx Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 1,075	love mine! in a way i'm kind of glad they discontinued this watch....this watch is certainly not rare or limited but to me its kind of appealing omega isn't making the watch anymore. __________________ DD40 RG, DD40 Platinum, Submariner Bluesy, WG YM 42, YM 40

12 January 2009, 07:01 AM	#14
wantonebad 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,845	I have a 2254.50 that my wife wears I wear this: It’s last years Bond Model without the 007 second hand and it has the speedy bracelet instead of the 9 link seamaster bracelet. I love it and think the new 2254.50 whatever it ends up being will be close to this, JMHO oh it’s a reference 212.34.41.20.01.002 BTW __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

15 January 2009, 01:11 AM	#19
jets "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mario Location: CANADA Posts: 2,483	Sorry if the thread takes a turn but wondered. Does anyone know if the 2231.50.00 is still being made? It's identical to the 2254.50 but is Titanium on Titanium. The only difference by looking at it is that the bezel is not black but titanium colored. I saw one at an AD yesterday but the numbers on the bezel were not black, just the same color as the bezel itself and thought it looked alright. Not sure what the price was though.. __________________ ♛ DJII 116234 · Submariner 126610LV · Yacht Master 42 226659 ✿ Pelagos 25600TN Ω X-33 Speedmaster Skywalker · 1861 Speedmaster Modsukoshi · SMP 2254.50 · SMP 2230.50 NAC · Seamaster 300 166.0324 · Genève 162.037 Seiko SLA033 Willard · SKX007

5 January 2009, 06:32 AM	#2
gaopa "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: NE Georgia Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 1,820	While I don't know the reason the 2254.50 was discontinued, I do think it is a big mistake on the part of Omega. I was fortunate enough, through the help of Fr. John, to get one from our favorite AD before they are all gone. I am crazy about my SMP! Cheers, Bill P.

5 January 2009, 12:03 PM	#4
jmsrolls Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,185	The 2254.50 has been discontinued as Omega is implementing the co-axial technology across their lines. Sales were not a problem as the 2254.50 was one of Omega's most popular models and sold well. Some call it a "poor man's Sub" as the quality is comparable for one-third the cost. The cal. 1120 movement is as accurate and reliable as they get and although the co-axial is theoretically better, the 1120 is tried and true - a proven workhorse. Many believe that Omega will introduce a co-axial model similar to the 2254.50 but expect the MSRP to be in the $3500 range rather than the current $2300. Still considerably cheaper than the Sub. Personally, I prefer the 1120 over the co-axial so I'll keep the one I have. My AD received the last batch of 2254.50s out of Bienne and still has a few in stock. Fr. John†

5 January 2009, 12:16 PM	#5
Golfster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 722	I have a tendency (or bad habit) to purchase in this manner...I heard the 2254 was being discontinued...I liked it OK up to that point, yet I then had to have one. I was in Orlando on a trip, on my way to dinner, walked into an AD...they had a new example in the case next to the PO's. I tried it on, keeping in mind my dinner reservations, we played a quick game "what if" negotiations. They suggested they could meet me in the bar at Captial Grille (the restaurant where I was dining) with the watch sized for me to "try" during dinner to see if I liked the feel...."Then decide," they said. After paying for dinner I returned to the AD and paid for the watch. A great experience and a great watch. The watch fits and feels great, keeps excellent time, durable, etc. I purchased a Sub and GMT-II this year as well, yet this watch gets a considerable amount of wrist time. Go for it if you like it!!

6 January 2009, 07:22 AM	#8
Ken Cox "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Ken Cox Location: Bend, Oregon, USA Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 469	I suspect Omega wants to raise the price for this type of watch in order to take advantage of the marketing work Rolex has done to elevate a tool watch to stratospheric prices. However, Omega can't just arbitrarily raise the price without incurring negative effects. Therefore, Omega must remove the watch from the market and then reintroduce it as NEW and IMPROVED, which justifies the increase in price (still a bargain compared to a Rolex).

8 January 2009, 06:24 PM	#9
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	Looks like Omega has a hard time increasing the prices.... everywhere you go.. you go and get 20% off on an omega (cash) but Rolex.. usually is 10% or 1000USD. Cheers, MVF

10 January 2009, 11:50 AM	#11
cdmackay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 31	I showed my new 2254.50 to a friend with a 1960s Rolex GMT today, and we swapped for a bit. I was amazed at how much smaller and lighter the GMT was; it felt almost like a toy. I've had mine since xmas day, and I still catch myself looking at it admiringly :)

11 January 2009, 09:50 AM	#13
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	I heard from a few people that they discontinued it due to a new co-axial type movement. Regardless, I have been eyeing this watch. I want to buy this watch as an everyday "beater" - it looks magnificent. I still see them around, and don't think it'll be hard to get one, if you really wanted one. Stupid move imho by omega, as they should have at least waited to release the new one, before dropping the 'old one'. Rolex still produced both the SeaDweller and the DeepSea, but now it seems that they will be dropping the SeaDweller ion favor of the Deepsea. Omega should have followed this route and allowed potentional new buyer to make a decision between the two before the 2254 becomes "extint"

12 January 2009, 07:14 AM	#15
meloncap78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Joshua Location: Syracuse, NY Watch: LV C Posts: 2,204	I loved my 2254.50. It was a very substantial watch and well made. However, I sold it to help fund my LV along with my Pasha C. Yes the 2254.50 had a more substantial weight but if you take the bracelets off of both watches the case and heft of the Sub is more substantial. Yes the bracelet on the Sub feels clunky but.............the steel is of higher quality and frankly who needs all that weight on their wrist?? The subs bracelet hasn't changed much since the beginning and it does exactly what it was designed to do. Once locked on the wrist nothing is going to take it off. No buttons to accidentally push etc. Both watches are great but the Sub when really looked at is a much more crisp watch with a more robust movement IMHO. Just my 2c.

12 January 2009, 07:22 AM	#16
cdmackay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 31	yup, I love my 2254.50, but I'd have a Sub-ND if I could afford one.

12 January 2009, 10:28 AM	#18
cdmackay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 31	ah, the lume on the 2254 is a glorious thing; continues to amaze me. That and the sword hands are two reasons why I wish Omega hadn't discontinued it.

15 January 2009, 05:03 AM	#21
jmsrolls Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,185	It is my understanding that none of the cal. 1120 based SMPs continue in production. This includes the Bond, the TI SMP models and the black and white dial GMTs, This is not to say that some may not remain in the pipeline and on AD shelves. When Omega announces that a model has been discontinued, my AD immediately places a large order for that model knowing that the demand will be there down the road. As for the 2231.50, if anyone has it or can get it, my AD would be the guy to check with. Fr. John†

15 January 2009, 05:51 AM	#22
cdmackay Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 31	thanks Father John; makes sense. I'd really love a GMT to go with my 2254.50, but perhaps that's being silly :)

16 January 2009, 03:52 AM	#23
Portzed "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Bryden Location: Lincolnshire - UK Watch: My 1st 60's Timex Posts: 435	To avoid any deep depression here's an oblique shot of my wee beastie

15 June 2009, 01:01 PM	#25
Nakow "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Watch: 16622 Posts: 536	I feel so proud to own one 2254.50 now ! this one is my second one , but this time ,I won't let it go. __________________ 16622

23 November 2013, 08:33 PM	#26
Rolex_99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Singapore Posts: 27	I think 2254 is discontinued becos of PO. Although PO and 2245 SMP both has its distinctive look. IMHO, PO still share its heritage from 2254. 2254 SMP is a great watch. Almost perfect except a major flaw which is the bezel grip. I remember bringing it to Phuket Thailand for snorkelling and have a hard time gripe and turning the bezel. I owned both PO and SMP 2254 and if I need to sell one, from a practical usage point of view. PO will wins hands down. The PO sharp edge is grippy and the click is one of the best. But I understand why Omega designed it with scallop bezel. From a aesthetic point of view, it looks from dressy and less tool watch like unlike the sharp edge bezel. But that just me, I want my watch to look nice but I also really want them to function like tool watch.

24 November 2013, 04:54 AM	#27
judodave1964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sussex Watch: seadweller 16600 Posts: 175	It's a shame Omega discontinued the 2254.50 as I thought it was their best looking diving watch to date.

23 September 2015, 11:44 AM	#28
T.Mas "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Switzerland Posts: 316	Years later, the 2254 is still awesome and even more desirable. It was never properly "replaced" by Omega.

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