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MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 03:02 AM

I own an EXPOLRER II Black Dial with the GMT orange hand in (Black/Orange). Which gives the Phantom effect as advertised by Rolex, and which I really like in this model.
But I have just realized that there is another GMT hand that is completely Orange ( like the one of the White dial ) and which does not give the same Phantom effect as the other one,, owned by one of my friends.
..Any explanation why Rolex makes 2 different hand versions for the same model !? It just makes me uncomfortable !!

harvey · 1 May 2018, 03:30 AM

...guess whatever came to 'hand' from the parts bin.

G.D.BeanCounter · 1 May 2018, 03:34 AM

Dial change maybe? However, is it an optical illusion, or is there a significant difference in the date magnification?

tyler1980 · 1 May 2018, 03:34 AM

i didn't know the non phantom orange hand one existed.

beshannon · 1 May 2018, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MagedMS

It just makes me uncomfortable !!

Why?

Swiss Mad! · 1 May 2018, 03:36 AM

did your friends watch ever go in for service?

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 03:38 AM

This shouldn't work with ROLEX !

beshannon · 1 May 2018, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MagedMS

This shouldn't work with ROLEX !

Again, why?

saskmh · 1 May 2018, 03:44 AM

The full orange hand is from a white dial Exp. The hand with the black base is from the black dial model.

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by G.D.BeanCounter

Dial change maybe? However, is it an optical illusion, or is there a significant difference in the date magnification?

No, my friend got it ( BN ) from the same ROLEX dealer with blank warranty and all the transparent stickers on it.

The difference in date magnification is due to the shooting angle.
Both EXPLORER's are identical.

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

did your friends watch ever go in for service?

No, he got BN with a blank warranty a couple of months ago.

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by beshannon

Again, why?

Because the black dial is advertised by Rolex having a Phantom effect and the GMT Orange hand is half black / half orange. Rolex should strictly stick to the advertised colors!

tyler1980 · 1 May 2018, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MagedMS

No, he got BN with a blank warranty a couple of months ago.

so what you are saying is he got a different watch than normal with an invalid warranty

mulgogy · 1 May 2018, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by saskmh

The full orange hand is from a white dial Exp. The hand with the black base is from the black dial model.

this.

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

so what you are saying is he got a different watch than normal with an invalid warranty

Yes he got a different watch than the one advertised by Rolex.. The warranty was stamped by his name / purchase date by the Authorized Rolex Dealer.

If he has got it from the grey market I would have said may be the dial was changed from white to black !

Uhtred59 · 1 May 2018, 05:04 AM

Looking at my black dial with the phantom hands I guess your frienf got a Friday afternoon watch. You do realize that perfection isn't really an achievable standard, don't you?

sco · 1 May 2018, 05:06 AM

That cyclops looks very under powered on the left. Not sure what to say about the hand, unless it was just an honest mistake from the polar version..

sensui · 1 May 2018, 05:42 AM

Looks like a wrong part to me.....

037 · 1 May 2018, 06:02 AM

It's possible that the full-orange hand slipped through the process that paints the black half and it was packaged as a half-orange hand.

Remember, Rolex makes close to 3000 watches per day using automated processes. It's not impossible for one or two to slip though as an error.

If sent in for service to an RSC, Rolex will likely notify your friend and insist on correcting it.

The full-orange hand looks odd. I much prefer the correct hand.

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Uhtred59

Looking at my black dial with the phantom hands I guess your frienf got a Friday afternoon watch. You do realize that perfection isn't really an achievable standard, don't you?

My friend got it from authorized Rolex dealer with that has a good reputation.
But I do agree with you that sometimes perfection is not achievable even with Rolex.

MagedMS · 1 May 2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 037

It's possible that the full-orange hand slipped through the process that paints the black half and it was packaged as a half-orange hand.

Remember, Rolex makes close to 3000 watches per day using automated processes. It's not impossible for one or two to slip though as an error.

If sent in for service to an RSC, Rolex will likely notify your friend and insist on correcting it.

The full-orange hand looks odd. I much prefer the correct hand.

Agreed. But do you think is it worth to open the watch for just changing the GMT hand ? I advised my friend to keep it as it is!

Onikage · 1 May 2018, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Uhtred59

Looking at my black dial with the phantom hands I guess your frienf got a Friday afternoon watch. You do realize that perfection isn't really an achievable standard, don't you?

Especially not on Friday afternoon? Almost sounds as if you're defending the incorrect hand being used.

Old Expat Beast · 1 May 2018, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Uhtred59

Looking at my black dial with the phantom hands I guess your frienf got a Friday afternoon watch. You do realize that perfection isn't really an achievable standard, don't you?

Fitting the correct hands is, however, generally not a problem.

Uhtred59 · 1 May 2018, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

Especially not on Friday afternoon? Almost sounds as if you're defending the incorrect hand being used.

Sorry didn't mean to sound like I was defending sloppiness, just that errors seem to be inevitable. Still nice watches though.

nmb · 1 May 2018, 06:18 PM

Manufacturing error,can't be a dial change because the white dial has full black hour and minute hands,

Verdi · 1 May 2018, 06:22 PM

Hi,

Wrong magnification and wrong gmt hand.
I would take that watch back in a heartbeat.

Best case scenario, the watch left the factory with these defects and Rolex will be fast to fix them. Either way I would raise these issues with the seller asap.

Worse case scenario, the watch was not a brand new one. A previous owner played around with the dials and hands. It happens often that someone wants to try the other version.

I have a black Ex2 and and I am tempted to buy a polar dial but in my case I would, also, buy the appropriate set of hands, if I decide so.

Rolex fan 61 · 1 May 2018, 11:59 PM

The all orange coloured hand is fitted to the Polar version.

037 · 2 May 2018, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MagedMS

Agreed. But do you think is it worth to open the watch for just changing the GMT hand ? I advised my friend to keep it as it is!

If it doesn't bother him, keep it as-is. Just let him know that Rolex might want to correct the mistake at the next service.

1 May 2018, 03:34 AM	#4
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	i didn't know the non phantom orange hand one existed. __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

1 May 2018, 03:36 AM	#6
Swiss Mad! "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Max Location: UK Watch: Various Posts: 3,727	did your friends watch ever go in for service? __________________ instagram: max.parkin

1 May 2018, 03:44 AM	#9
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	The full orange hand is from a white dial Exp. The hand with the black base is from the black dial model. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

1 May 2018, 05:04 AM	#16
Uhtred59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Ken Location: Europa Watch: 216570 Posts: 693	Looking at my black dial with the phantom hands I guess your frienf got a Friday afternoon watch. You do realize that perfection isn't really an achievable standard, don't you? __________________ "My center is yielding, my right is retreating. Excellent situation, I am attacking" Ferdinand Foch

1 May 2018, 06:22 PM	#26
Verdi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mitch Location: UAE Watch: Big Ben Posts: 2,451	Hi, Wrong magnification and wrong gmt hand. I would take that watch back in a heartbeat. Best case scenario, the watch left the factory with these defects and Rolex will be fast to fix them. Either way I would raise these issues with the seller asap. Worse case scenario, the watch was not a brand new one. A previous owner played around with the dials and hands. It happens often that someone wants to try the other version. I have a black Ex2 and and I am tempted to buy a polar dial but in my case I would, also, buy the appropriate set of hands, if I decide so. __________________ IG: @watch_idiot_savant

1 May 2018, 03:30 AM	#2
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,421	...guess whatever came to 'hand' from the parts bin.

1 May 2018, 03:34 AM	#3
G.D.BeanCounter Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA Watch: Sky DayDate 2 Posts: 1,317	Dial change maybe? However, is it an optical illusion, or is there a significant difference in the date magnification?

1 May 2018, 03:38 AM	#7
MagedMS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Maged Location: Egypt Watch: SUBMARINER 114060 Posts: 514	This shouldn't work with ROLEX !

1 May 2018, 05:06 AM	#17
sco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Chicago Watch: Subc AT 8500 CSO Posts: 3,646	That cyclops looks very under powered on the left. Not sure what to say about the hand, unless it was just an honest mistake from the polar version..

1 May 2018, 05:42 AM	#18
sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,436	Looks like a wrong part to me.....

1 May 2018, 06:02 AM	#19
037 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: USA Posts: 6,173	It's possible that the full-orange hand slipped through the process that paints the black half and it was packaged as a half-orange hand. Remember, Rolex makes close to 3000 watches per day using automated processes. It's not impossible for one or two to slip though as an error. If sent in for service to an RSC, Rolex will likely notify your friend and insist on correcting it. The full-orange hand looks odd. I much prefer the correct hand.

1 May 2018, 06:18 PM	#25
nmb "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Nigel Location: uk Watch: 116618 LB Posts: 150	Manufacturing error,can't be a dial change because the white dial has full black hour and minute hands,

1 May 2018, 11:59 PM	#27
Rolex fan 61 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: UK Posts: 1,262	The all orange coloured hand is fitted to the Polar version.

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