Is this real? im about to buy this and i need to know PLEASE HELP

[veilstylez]

hey guys, Im about to buy this watch from someone and i need you guys help. heres some pics i need to know if the watch is real.


its a non date sub. 14060

1. Does the back where the bracelet and the case meet look like that? I mean the piece that holds the band and the case together.

2. is the hologram right? i thought they say 14060m? When was the 14060 replaced by the 14060m?


3. have you guys ever seen this kind of certificate?


THANKS GUYS

[veilstylez]

heres another of the watch

[veilstylez]

the back and the certi

[veilstylez]

and one more thing..

the bracelet type/model number looks like 78790 or 78750 is this right? i thought it was 93150?

[Mark]

My gut feeling is it's a fake. You can clearly see the Rolex etching at 6PM and the crown guards look oversized and sloppy. I'd have to have better pictures or hold it in my hands.

Is there an o-ring when you pull out the crown and which direction does it need to go to advance the time. Should be clockwise to advance. Most fakes go counter-clockwise. Also check the clicks on the bezel. Is it tight / quiet or really loose and loud?

Don't be fooled by boxes and papers. They can be fake as well.

[Rockrolex]

It looks a bit beaten up to be new. And the crown etching is much too readily visible. I would be leary of it, unless you know the seller personally and he's got a straight up reputation.

[Mark]

The fonts look wrong too. Look at the B in SUBMARINER. Compare to a real one and you'll see a difference.

[mike]

Pass on it. I wonder about the font, the bezel insert, the bracelet (Both wrong reference and it's an sel), crystal etc....

[diablojota]

I say it's a fake. I can't put my finger on it, but it just doesn't look right.

I would say let this one pass. Is it on eBay or the like?

[veilstylez]

haha...i should have put the topic REV look at this..I forgot how detailed you are with these...THANKS
Anyways, i have a question...the etching at 6o'clock...is that on the glass? And is it ingraved and is it suppose to be light..like almost not visable?

interesting. How about the bracelet...where the case meets. is that right?

hey rockrolex ..thanks for the input...the guy says its lint not scratches.

[C.J.]

That really looks like an SEL bracelet. No 14060 or 14060M should have one. I just got a 14060M a couple of months ago and no SEL. I don't know about that one Even though it's a good close, the crown etching appears way too pronounced. I have to use a 10x loupe to see mine. Also, check the bezel rotation. Alot of fakes go around one full cycle with only sixty clicks, whereas a real Rolex Submariners bezel clicks once every half second mark. So it takes 120 clicks to go all the way around.

[veilstylez]

the b on submariner is messed up here because the pics here was reduced so it looks retarded. But the acutal one looks okay.

Anybody with a 14060 identify?

[veilstylez]

C.j ...oh so thats what SEL bracelets are....so the 14060 should look like this.. where that last link extends out to the case.

[C.J.]

This one is only a couple of months old. They aren't the best pic's, but I hope they help

[mike]

Look at this one.

[C.J.]

Originally Posted by veilstylez

C.j ...oh so thats what SEL bracelets are....so the 14060 should look like this.. where that last link extends out to the case.

Yes and there should also be open lug holes on the outside of the case like on Mikes above

[FW9821]

I am by no means an expert but what I do know is due to the fact I own a new non-date sub. First off the bracelet does look like an sel, and as mentioned that watch should not have one. The box and certificate look nothing like mine and I have to say they scream "hold on to your wallet and run!" That being said, take the watch to an AD and let them have a look. Good luck.

[betrezra]

There are too many good deals out there on real watches to chance it.

Belive me I know 1st hand what it's like to drop $5500 on a watch with fake parts/pcs ;) Been there done that.

It's not worth $500-1000 savings to get a FAKE!!! Trust me.

I'd drop the extra coin for pc of mind.

See if the guy will allow you to take it to an AD for verification. If not bail.

IMHO ;)

[C.J.]

Originally Posted by betrezra

There are too many good deals out there on real watches to chance it.

Belive me I know 1st hand what it's like to drop $5500 on a watch with fake parts/pcs ;) Been there done that.

It's not worth $500-1000 savings to get a FAKE!!! Trust me.

I'd drop the extra coin for pc of mind.

See if the guy will allow you to take it to an AD for verification. If not bail.

IMHO ;)

Good advice

[Atl]

It's an old box, like mine from 10 years ago, sel's not right, should not have them. Hour markers look odd. You have been warned by everyone.

You know, if everyone just did the right thing and bought from a reputable dealer, we would not have to play Rolex detective every week. IF you are trying to save thousands, YOU WILL GET SCREWED. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY SAVED UP TO DO THE RIGHT THING, KEEP SAVING. If you have the money, but can't bear to pay retail like most of us did, go to Tourneau, go to Grey and sons, or Alan Firman, and buy used with a warranty. All three companies warranty their watches, recondition them to perfect, as new condition. I personally vouch for all three.

And, if you buy this thing, NO NOT COME CRYING TO US. You won't right??

Good luck, David

[veilstylez]

yeah...thanks guys...im glad i posted. And thanks everyone that replied. yeah it just didnt feel right from the ghetgo. But I just wanted to make sure you know~ Anyways, Thank You everyone! I gotta say that this rolex detective thing is fun. =)

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by veilstylez

and one more thing..

the bracelet type/model number looks like 78790 or 78750 is this right? i thought it was 93150?

The bracelet has been completely bastardised. Positively an SEL in your picture - which does NOT come with the ND Sub - and the number of the original non-SEL bracelet should be 93150 - not any of the other two numbers.

The clasp is long and seems to have 8 holes like the Sub clasp, but the rest just does not match up. The watch too looks very shady....let this one go down the drain!!

Cheers - JJ

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by veilstylez

C.j ...oh so thats what SEL bracelets are....so the 14060 should look like this.. where that last link extends out to the case.

This is a picture of a non-SEL bracelet. Note the butterfly wings extending from the end link. The SEL bracelet does NOT have these extensions.

JJ

[JJ Irani]

Here you go...

SEL link

Non-SEL link

And from the back...top one is SEL and bottom one is non-SEL (note butterfly wing extensions!)




Cheers - JJ

[veilstylez]

haha holy cow...look at these two auction(i have nutting to do with the auction just warning everyone)...these are fake forsure...

Because the guy i talked to and sent the pic to me and these are some of the exact pics he sent. the 1st is the guy i talked to

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...QQcmdZViewItem

now this 2nd is showing the same pics i posted with the same story as the guy i talked to.

both are 2 different ebay names but with the same fake watch..
damn...im never buying from ebay!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/BLACK-ROLEX-SUBM...QQcmdZViewItem

[veilstylez]

btw thanks jj

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by veilstylez

btw thanks jj

You're welcome, pal. Just glad you contacted us first before being sucked into that crap!!

[Pedar]

What they say I would do Period. You have some of the most on the nerve people I have seen ( read ) on any forum. Good Luck
Pedar

[viper]

the papers are a dead giveaway in themselves. first off, 16233 is a TT DJ with gold bezel. secondly, i've never seen Rolex papers shine like those. I realize the camera may have had a flash, but they almost look laminated.

Stay away!