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pam66 · 26 June 2019, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tom2517

I take the Daytona anyday, Aqua NOT!

totally agreed.

pam66 · 26 June 2019, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bearxj86

Gentlemen- comparing a Patek to a Rolex is foolish. Have you seen the finishing on the aquanauts’ movement and case? The number of hours to finish is significantly higher than a Rolex. There is probably more hand finishing on a single component of the 324 movement than the entire Daytona - no joke. Take a look at this video which illustrates the differences:

https://youtu.be/k1HhRPDmCgw

Rolex is great watchmaking, but comparing it to Geneva Seal or holy trinity watchmaking isn’t a fair fight. Machine made great products versus handcrafted art

that is possibly true but surely not what the typical aquanaut buyer cares about. it is more like wearing a PP and not a lowly rolex, even if the latter is the much better (looking) sports watch.

s.m.b. · 26 June 2019, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pam66

that is possibly true but surely not what the typical aquanaut buyer cares about. it is more like wearing a PP and not a lowly rolex, even if the latter is the much better (looking) sports watch.

And you know this based upon what?

I mean, I can have an idea as to what guys who wear beads around their wrist are into, but I'd never declare it's true of the typical male bead wearer.

pam66 · 26 June 2019, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by s.m.b.

And you know this based upon what?

I mean, I can have an idea as to what guys who wear beads around their wrist are into, but I'd never declare it's true of the typical male bead wearer.

c'mon please spill the beans for me. you made me curious.

Aquaman · 26 June 2019, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pam66

c'mon please spill the beans for me. you made me curious.

bi curious ?

pam66 · 26 June 2019, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aquaman

bi curious ?

omg::::))))))

patrolmi · 26 June 2019, 06:50 AM

Interesting the 5168G has not really moved -- in fact the 5167 is about to catch up. With the same appreciation the 5168's should be pushing 100k yet they haven't moved at all.

GreenLantern · 26 June 2019, 12:42 PM

That's again because all of the drive-up in prices, in my opinion, is due to the grey market dealers (the big players in the market) doing standard market manipulation.

It's not against any rules or laws since it's an unregulated market. :)

If things are so rare (which I know they are, because I know Patek doesn't pump out a lot of these), why do some dealers have numerous in inventory? Who's supplying them? (All rhetorical questions, because I/we know the answers here.)

This isn't what Patek had intended.

tom2517 · 26 June 2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bearxj86

You enter the Patek holy land erm I mean ...subtopic forums and you are surprised?

Lol, alright that was good comeback

WWC · 27 June 2019, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bearxj86

Basically you have like 1000 being made a year. Once you own a submariner you realize everyone and their mom has one and then you want an AP or Patek. You then wait a year for a 15400 and get that. Then you realize that the Nautilus and aquanauts are king and the Ceramic Daytona is Queen and you want that. Maybe you settle for a PM Daytona or play around with some hulks and Batman but soon realize they are just submariners in different colors and the PM is just heavy and easy to scratch. Patek refuses to produce more steel and your Rolex AD has betrayed you to grey. You walk into a Patek dealer and get ignored or snobbered.

You get stuck. End of story. Prices keep going up. You buy a platona; Aquanauts hit 6 figures by the end of 2020. Rolex releases more colors maybe a cherry coke. You buy that. Now you have 10 rolexes and zero Pateks. Patek discontinues the 5167- you cry

Haven’t read such a hilarious yet funny post! Soooo true. I’m sure there are many many of these type of people. Those that are calculative end up paying more lol

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np2016 · 27 June 2019, 10:55 AM

I have a 116500ln and a 5167a on rubber. I prefer the 5167a on rubber because it's so damn comfortable all seasons of the year and it flies under the radar in pure stealth mode. I am also personally having a hard time adjusting to the 116500ln without a date function makes me feel naked without it. Both watches are great and I plan on keeping both for years in my collection but if forced to choose only one I would take the 5167a. I find it fascinating to see so much hate on here for the 5167a versus the 5164a.

SL BRABUS · 27 June 2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bearxj86

Basically you have like 1000 being made a year. Once you own a submariner you realize everyone and their mom has one and then you want an AP or Patek. You then wait a year for a 15400 and get that. Then you realize that the Nautilus and aquanauts are king and the Ceramic Daytona is Queen and you want that. Maybe you settle for a PM Daytona or play around with some hulks and Batman but soon realize they are just submariners in different colors and the PM is just heavy and easy to scratch. Patek refuses to produce more steel and your Rolex AD has betrayed you to grey. You walk into a Patek dealer and get ignored or snobbered.

You get stuck. End of story. Prices keep going up. You buy a platona; Aquanauts hit 6 figures by the end of 2020. Rolex releases more colors maybe a cherry coke. You buy that. Now you have 10 rolexes and zero Pateks. Patek discontinues the 5167- you cry

Man you rapping...

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Nephro · 28 June 2019, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by theflywrist

Yep. I remember when I got my 5711 some years ago, people didn't want the aqua because it was the cheapest entry level sports PP.. Still remember one in Singapore offered to me at $15K. 5711s at 23-24 all day..
How times have changed.

I had a chance to get an Aquanaut about 4 or 5 yrs ago at Kirk Freeport in Grand Cayman while on a cruise vacation. We were kind of rushed and the watch didn’t really sing to me. What was worse is that my wife was shocked I was remotely interested in the watch until I told her it was a Patek. She didn’t like the look at all. The same thoughts you posted about “cheap and entry level” also influenced my thinking. In the end I think I made the right decision as the watch didn’t pull my heart strings and I’ve never sold any of my watches and never plan to so the value proposition doesn’t come into play for me. Now getting a SS Patek at retail will be a nearly impossible situation so I guess I did have my brief window. Oh well, first work problems.

yoast · 28 June 2019, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

That would be nice. And since she had commandeered my nautilus. I now sport the fat kid

Time to get that f-car...

SL BRABUS · 3 July 2019, 06:59 AM

WoW....!!!

This got to be all time high..??...

This was post in the TRF classifieds section asking price of $42,500 USD and sold within few hours......

IMHO possibility sold around $40,000 USD.....??

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=683996

Click here for the link....^^^....

Sam Philip · 3 July 2019, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jay_kay

I've taken much more interest in the 5167a recently but did start tracking what companies like WF and Blowers were selling them for since 2016 when I first was made aware of the 5167. Blowers sold a 2009 for £11950 in March 2016. The most recent sale in the UK was WF selling a 2018 5167 in June 2019 for £29950. I just can't see where or if its ever going to end.

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Originally Posted by jay_kay

Sorry correction to my previous thread. Watchfinder has just added a 2018 5167a at £32,950!!!!

Now they have a 2018 5167A listed at £ 33750

https://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Patek%...91/item/139394

SL BRABUS · 15 July 2019, 03:14 AM

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=686358

......^^^..... Saw this....^^^... Look like the preowned are selling double the retail in the US....

And my guess for NIB would be in the $45K.....??

eco8gator · 15 July 2019, 12:04 PM

I purchased a 5060 Aquanaut for $8k a few years ago. I see them over $20k now...

I think there is some heavy GM manipulation going on. The 5167 Aquanaut is a fantastic watch but it's not worth 40k.

GreenLantern · 15 July 2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eco8gator

I purchased a 5060 Aquanaut for $8k a few years ago. I see them over $20k now...

I think there is some heavy GM manipulation going on. The 5167 Aquanaut is a fantastic watch but it's not worth 40k.

I know people will yell at me and say "Supply & Demand bro!!" but consumer sentiment/interests don't shift this fast. To me, it's grey market manipulation.

I don't like that my watches jump in value this quick, this much. It makes it much harder to comfortably wear them knowing they're practically impossible to replace. (That's ok for limited editions, but not for "regular production" pieces that tend to get more wear out of me.)

WatchLurv · 15 July 2019, 10:48 PM

Im hoping for the 5164R to go above $100,000. It's certainly moving towards it.

Just another badge of honour for me to own another $100,000+ watch

JVM · 16 July 2019, 12:24 AM

The pricing has nothing to do with quality or how great a watch it is. These are nothing more than trophies at this point and there so much wealth in the hands of those chasing these trophy pieces that this is the result. At some point you’d think the music has to stop but no indication so far that it will. The same buyers were running up the car market, but that has cooled considerably if not outright crashed for some brands. The difference is in the supply side, where Patek, Rolex, and AP don’t appear to have much interest in meeting demand.

wulin · 16 July 2019, 01:00 AM

It's not a $40000 watch that is for sure.

kans86 · 16 July 2019, 01:26 AM

I was just offered one from 2014 full set for 35k USD. Or the owner wants to trade with my Daytona 116520 plus 13k USD in cash. Haven’t decided yet.

Fat_ninja · 16 July 2019, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Im hoping for the 5164R to go above $100,000. It's certainly moving towards it.

Just another badge of honour for me to own another $100,000+ watch

Yup...

BobDyl · 16 July 2019, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JVM

The pricing has nothing to do with quality or how great a watch it is. These are nothing more than trophies at this point and there so much wealth in the hands of those chasing these trophy pieces that this is the result. At some point you’d think the music has to stop but no indication so far that it will. The same buyers were running up the car market, but that has cooled considerably if not outright crashed for some brands. The difference is in the supply side, where Patek, Rolex, and AP don’t appear to have much interest in meeting demand.

Well said.

s.m.b. · 16 July 2019, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WatchLurv

Im hoping for the 5164R to go above $100,000. It's certainly moving towards it.

Just another badge of honour for me to own another $100,000+ watch

Classy.

Fat_ninja · 16 July 2019, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Classy.

Yup...

SL BRABUS · 16 July 2019, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kans86

I was just offered one from 2014 full set for 35k USD. Or the owner wants to trade with my Daytona 116520 plus 13k USD in cash. Haven’t decided yet.

That an awesome trade.... Which mean he give your Daytona a $22K trade in value.....

kans86 · 16 July 2019, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SL BRABUS

That an awesome trade.... Which mean he give your Daytona a $22K trade in value.....

I didn’t take it. Looking for a more substantial one with bracelet, a 5980 or 5990 perhaps.

3 July 2019, 06:59 AM	#105
SL BRABUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: U.S.A Watch: Only Rolex & Patek Posts: 3,390	WoW....!!! This got to be all time high..??... This was post in the TRF classifieds section asking price of $42,500 USD and sold within few hours...... IMHO possibility sold around $40,000 USD.....?? https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=683996 Click here for the link....^^^.... __________________ Rolex Forum: Mainly Rolex & Benz pictures...!!! Click the above link to join the club...^^^... "SL BRABUS" aka BenzWorld Undercover Moderator

15 July 2019, 03:14 AM	#107
SL BRABUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: U.S.A Watch: Only Rolex & Patek Posts: 3,390	https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=686358 ......^^^..... Saw this....^^^... Look like the preowned are selling double the retail in the US.... And my guess for NIB would be in the $45K.....?? __________________ Rolex Forum: Mainly Rolex & Benz pictures...!!! Click the above link to join the club...^^^... "SL BRABUS" aka BenzWorld Undercover Moderator

26 June 2019, 06:50 AM	#97
patrolmi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 170	Interesting the 5168G has not really moved -- in fact the 5167 is about to catch up. With the same appreciation the 5168's should be pushing 100k yet they haven't moved at all.

26 June 2019, 12:42 PM	#98
GreenLantern "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Montana Posts: 3,223	That's again because all of the drive-up in prices, in my opinion, is due to the grey market dealers (the big players in the market) doing standard market manipulation. It's not against any rules or laws since it's an unregulated market. :) If things are so rare (which I know they are, because I know Patek doesn't pump out a lot of these), why do some dealers have numerous in inventory? Who's supplying them? (All rhetorical questions, because I/we know the answers here.) This isn't what Patek had intended.

27 June 2019, 10:55 AM	#101
np2016 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Ohio Watch: Rolex, Patek, AP, Posts: 522	I have a 116500ln and a 5167a on rubber. I prefer the 5167a on rubber because it's so damn comfortable all seasons of the year and it flies under the radar in pure stealth mode. I am also personally having a hard time adjusting to the 116500ln without a date function makes me feel naked without it. Both watches are great and I plan on keeping both for years in my collection but if forced to choose only one I would take the 5167a. I find it fascinating to see so much hate on here for the 5167a versus the 5164a.

15 July 2019, 12:04 PM	#108
eco8gator "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Florida Watch: 5060/a Posts: 1,119	I purchased a 5060 Aquanaut for $8k a few years ago. I see them over $20k now... I think there is some heavy GM manipulation going on. The 5167 Aquanaut is a fantastic watch but it's not worth 40k.

15 July 2019, 10:48 PM	#110
WatchLurv Banned Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Moon Watch: Swiss Posts: 2,270	Im hoping for the 5164R to go above $100,000. It's certainly moving towards it. Just another badge of honour for me to own another $100,000+ watch

16 July 2019, 12:24 AM	#111
JVM Banned Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 87	The pricing has nothing to do with quality or how great a watch it is. These are nothing more than trophies at this point and there so much wealth in the hands of those chasing these trophy pieces that this is the result. At some point you’d think the music has to stop but no indication so far that it will. The same buyers were running up the car market, but that has cooled considerably if not outright crashed for some brands. The difference is in the supply side, where Patek, Rolex, and AP don’t appear to have much interest in meeting demand.

16 July 2019, 01:00 AM	#112
wulin "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: California Watch: PP,AP,Rolex,IWC Posts: 578	It's not a $40000 watch that is for sure.

16 July 2019, 01:26 AM	#113
kans86 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Berlin Posts: 1,340	I was just offered one from 2014 full set for 35k USD. Or the owner wants to trade with my Daytona 116520 plus 13k USD in cash. Haven’t decided yet.

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