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Actually, what I meant was that the arrow has a large gap at the top (lot of blue showing above the arrow). Then the point of the arrow goes off the inside edge of the bezel. I haven't been able to find other examples of this anywhere.
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I attach a pix of my 16700, with an arrow pointing to the top of the bezel insert, which is what I think you referring to, am I right?. if it is, it does appear, that the triangle on your bezel is printed a little lower, with the bottom point over the edge of the bezel. Not seen that before.
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Just a question: how can a 16700 have 3 time zone indications? I do not understand. The 24h hand of the 16700 is not independent, contrary to a GMT Master II. So a 16700 can only show 2 different time zones at the same time, by rotating the bezel. Did I miss something? |
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16700-two time zones
16710-three time zones
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All GMT models only show 2 zones at the same time.
GMT II models have the jump hour hand, but still only show 2 zones, they just do it differently. You can also use the bezel, as you would the Master, but it is only a momentary look at a 3rd zone.
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So I was right ... (in fact I knew, but someone contradicted me in post #244 although I have owned a 16700 for about 20 years...)
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Beautiful reference, thank you for the write up.
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Haha, I remember taking mine into St. James In London after mine was serviced and my centre triangle was between clicks!... the spent around 10 mins and and it’s better now, still not 100% compared to my ocd lol...
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Any Swiss Made Masters?
Are there any legitimate GMT-Master 16700’s that would have come with a ’Swiss Made’ super luminova dial? Or would such a dial necessarily be a later replacement dial?
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I don't think any came with Swiss Made, but I can't say for sure.
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The last of the 16700's would have come out around 2000, which is the first year of the Swiss Made dials. If there were some, they would have to have been very late serials.
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I come up with a NOS “Swiss Made” dial at c24 one year ago. But dont have any idea if its serviced or not.
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Wow! Than you all for taking the time to respond. Very interesting.
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I would agree. I've owned three 1998 "A" serial numbered GMT 16700s and they all had SWISS marked dials. I haven't owned any marked SWISS MADE.
Additionally, I've owned four "A" serial numbered GMT II 16710s and three of the dials were marked SWISS and one was marked SWISS MADE. As far as the last of the GMT 16700s go, one can only speculate whether any of the "A" serials had the SWISS MADE marking.
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Amazing first article and thread...just picked up a X Serial 167000. What a keeper...
I'd post some photos but for some reason it says I've never posted and need 10 posts? Did something reset LOL? Again great thread. |
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First you do not need 10 post to post a picture under the reply box just click the advanced button.Then scroll down to attache your pictures making sure it the correct file type and size its very easy to do.
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Here's mine - 1998 U-Serial 16700 w/ SWISS only dial and black serif insert
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16700 is a great watch - would highly recommend to all!
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Interesting that the first reference model was black over red. I had always assumed that the pepsi bezel was the first. I guess its just the most iconic.
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"Rolex began its GMT-Master story in 1955 with its very first pilot watch made for Pan Am Airlines, the reference 6542. More than four decades later, the Swiss watchmaker concluded that chapter with its last GMT-Master watch – the ref. 16700. Of course, the Rolex pilot watch saga continues today with the GMT-Master II collection, but the original Rolex GMT-Master is no more. Let’s delve into that very last reference with the ultimate guide to the Rolex GMT-Master 16700." Super informative and very interesting! |
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Great read, I really enjoyed going through this long thread, I own a 16700 transitional dial "SWISS", "U" serial, it's a beautiful watch! They are becoming quiet thought after now.
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Yes…. would imagine that these will become increasingly popular and sought after. Terrific watch that has more or less become my “daily”..……and this is from a Sub/SD guy! Highly recommended!
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Good post
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Yes, they will and Beverley Hills Service Center will do it for you while you wait, and it's $50 total tax and tags included ! They will keep the old one. |
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Update to keep the conversation active. Sent my 16700 T series to RSC Dallas with a guarantee from customer service that the original faded bezel Pepsi insert would be replaced and returned to me after service. For other references I’m told there’s a “trade in” policy for inserts and no insert for any reference is available for sale by RSC or an AD unless the watch is serviced. Currently the turn around time for delivery after service is 8 weeks after inspection and customer approval.
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Do we have any educated guesses on the production numbers for the tail end of the 16700 run?
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Great post, been reading this and thoroughly enjoying, doing some further research, and since someone has to take the fall, it's the OP... ![]() Hopefully there will an "Incoming" tomorrow, before 3pm, with signature ![]() Thanks Tools, was an awesome read and loved this thread..... |
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