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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
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1,039 | 69.83% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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61 | 4.10% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 26.08% |
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In a way I kind of like it like that at my age ![]() However, some say I do have a mind like a steel trap and can recall pertinent points, but references are unavailble unless you can do the Vulcan mind meld thing. I can say that some of the info you are seeking is contained within this thread and other threads that are related to this matter on this forum. Also, like yourself I get around and we possibly have crossed paths previously on other forums without being aware of it. So we are likely to be drawing on common sources due to our shared interest. With regard to the second point you raise. We have had it here on this forum on two separate occassions from different sources quite a long time apart, also on another forum. My apologies for not being able to help further in a manner that would be more constructive. It's not necessarily alarming from my perspective, simply interesting. ![]() |
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Your Wrist action and position is all important.
I have been measuring my Rolex Explorer II (226570 with a 3285 movement) for the past 53 days and logging all results on my iPhone app - WatchTracker.
The results are shown in the graph below. ![]() I took two data readings a day … One in the morning and one in the evening. My watch was always fully manually wound in the morning after taking a measurement and before I put it on. The graph can be divided into 3 distinct periods … The first period shows a steady loss in timekeeping. During that period I was not active but my watch was manually fully would daily. My watch was worn for about 16 hours per day and at rest usually Dial Up at night. I was mostly bed ridden so the watch was mostly in a vertical position during the day (3U, 6U, 9U). The second period of interest is for the following 3 weeks. During this period I was far more active. My watch was still manually wound once per day. But, as I was more active the position of the watch changed far more (DU, DD, 3U, 6U, 9U). The two horizontal positions (DU, DD) were far more common I suspect. The third period of interest, the last 2 weeks shows an increase in timekeeping. My watch was still manually wound once per day but the wearing hours were reduced to approximately 8 hours per day and the horizontal position for when not being worn increased to approximately 16 hours per day. These results show that winding or wearing and winding the watch has no effect on my watch. It was sufficiently manually wound throughout the period. What it does show is that the wrist position whilst being worn is all important to timekeeping. This is as supported the Witschi Chronoscope results as shown below. ![]()
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There have always been skeptics on here who take every opportunity to mock us for even paying attention to this stuff. And, understandably, there hasn't been much clarity on the actual scope of the issue (though I've long argued it's obviously far more prevalent than a "one in a million fluke"). But even I was "shocked" to imagine the problems being at a level where RSC staff are burning out and feeling hopeless. Clearly at that level reports would be making it back to HQ. How could there not be a solution at that point? As I'm sure you know, the consensus from the naysayers has always been "if there's a problem, Rolex will make it right". There was the implication that if Rolex had not acted, it was probably just proof of how rare this problem was, or maybe that it didn't exist at all. But to imagine the scenario above, it is much harder to explain. Is this a fatal, non-fixable flaw? Or has the company simply changed its priorities to where making more watches trumps solving the problem? |
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If I had to guess I’d guess the burnout problem is simply due to the unanticipated increase in workload. Even if only 5% of watches had the problem, it’s tens of thousands more per year than likely anticipated. As to the “quiet fix” issue, I don’t think much of the lack of communication. Yes, we’re often think in car analogies, but nobody potentially explodes here. There’s no safety issue if Rolex continues selling already-constructed movements that have a batch (or ten) of faulty parts distributed among them. Thinking probably is that less time and materials wasted fixing them one by one vs discarding our rebuilding thousands already produced and awaiting casing. Convenience aside, it is highly likely that all that are destined to fail will do so under warranty, so the customer is out very little. It’s not like with cars where “well, it’s unlikely to start on fire, and even if it does, it’ll be a small fire, and we’ll repair it under warranty” is an entirely unacceptable position to take. |
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Your systematic measurement is near scholar and leads to a very good understanding of your Explorer II. One can learn that wrist positions (plus rest positions overnight) are very important for good timekeeping, also for a daily fully wound caliber. That is new in this thread. In that sense the use of a timegrapher and the understanding of the results is demonstrated again. |
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Thinking about how a plane is meant to sustain a lightning strike at 35,000 feet/500 knots but might be compromised by a luggage cart bumping it at 5mph, or what happens if you keep driving a car in low gear (both imperfect analogies, but you get the idea). |
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I don't think so. The major 32xx issue is something else. |
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Maybe doing this regularly has no relationship with the “issue” but I thought it worth considering given it’s a somewhat unique cafeteria of this movement family. But that’s just how I think: I always start by looking for relationships between anomalies since my instinct says that there will likely be one, especially with multiple coincidences (I believe that typically, a single coincidence can be random but multiple probably have some relationship, whether or not we can see it). |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
I think you are right. I neglected the vast majority who are neither specialists nor Rolex watch enthusiasts.
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Here the description of another defect 3285 caliber (GMT Master II) purchased new in 2020:
"After testing in various positions, and having the amplitude drop below 200 and erratic timing of -5 to -20 spd … send it in for warranty service." https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=873526 |
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Interesting: a 2022 Rolex Submariner Ref. 124060 (3230 caliber) with low amplitudes sent in for repair:
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=878250 The introduction dates of all 32xx movements: 2015: 3235, 3255 2016: - 2017: - 2018: 3285 2019: - 2020: 3230 OP's watch was sold in 2022, either with a 2020, 2021 or 2022 caliber. So Rolex has not solved ("permanent fix") the 32xx problem for the first 5, 6 or 7 years. |
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Mine is running like crap lately - losing 10-15 seconds a day - no matter what I do.
My warranty is up next June - I guess I'm gonna send it in AGAIN for the same problem. I have no hope that the fix will be permanent. Maybe when it breaks in two more years and I have to pay to fix it - they'll have a solution. :) |
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The thing is it's been doing very well after the second visit, mid Dec will be the 1 year anniversary of it's 2nd repair. I'll record and post data for that. |
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JMGoodnight 369 wrote: "Anyhoo they took the watch back to regulate and about 15 minutes came out with the bad news that it suffers from the low amplitude virus that’s been going around." OP's description (in the other thread) fits very well with what I measured (timegrapher) for my 32xx and wrote in this thread (2963): A "special feature" of the 32xx movement is that the caliber can remain very accurate for a long time (several months), even with rather low amplitudes, before its accuracy deteriorates and you can no longer compensate by rest position. The key indicator is then a too low amplitude after full winding. The only interesting part (in the other thread) is the fact that the OP reports a 3230 issue for a new watch sold this year. |
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Also, you can take some comfort in knowing that there is NO WAY that watch was manufactured this year. I don't know what the lag time is between finishing in Switzerland and sale elsewhere, but if it's ten months old, he only got it in January. |
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I've owned it nearly two years but it has probably only been worn/running (I don't use winders) for a total of 2-3 months. |
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The 32xx decrease in amplitudes - I do not speak about the normal reduction of amplitude during the 72 hours of power reserve but compare max. achievable amplitudes after a full winding - is much quicker compared (for example) to the 31xx movements. That is the main reason why many owners cannot see that their movement is sick because timekeeping remains very good for a rather long time, even if amplitudes of only about 200 degrees are reached after full winding. As soon as the amplitudes decrease further, let's say to 180 degrees (I have timegrapher data to demonstrate this) then timekeeping starts to degrade significantly and everybody can see the movement problems because the watch loses more and more time. This can develop rather fast (a few weeks or months). Such a fast degrading behaviour I have never seen with other calibers. Nobody here can know when this 3230 was assembled and tested, any time in 2020 or 2021. |
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See "How to obtain excellent timekeeping over a period of several months" thread: https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...4&postcount=23 PS: of course it does not harm to wind your watch movement from time to time, but it is not mandatory for good timekeeping; rest position overnight and temperature are more important than frequent windings. |
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Thank you
Although this post is slightly off Topic it does relate to some of the content and contributors to this thread.
This thread has now got to the lengthy stage of 3,000 posts which in itself is quite remarkable and only goes to prove that some people appreciate the input and free giving or data by others. We have seen plenty of people post in this thread who are purely mocking, deliberately disrupting or quite simply deliberately goading hoping to cause the thread to go off topic or even get shut down. Thankfully those people have failed at every attempt. Thankfully some contributors are happy to stick with the thread and subject and give their knowledge and experiences freely for others to see and learn. So …. To those who have joined in this thread with good intention, good knowledge and good helpful contributions I thank you all. I raise a toast to the First 3,000 posts and await eagerly the next 3,000. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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