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No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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62 | 4.15% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 25.95% |
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My 3235 is very new, and right now within the +- 2s/day, so I am fine with it. If, in six months, it starts dropping to - 5, 10, 20 seconds per day I would also be upset.
I think what PADI and others have referred to is the +-2/day is an average, and over the course of a week you might expect it to be spot on one day, - a second or two another, + a second or two another so forth and so on, but generally and on average it will be +-2. I am willing to accept that as well, I think most Rolex owners (who are reasonable) should. But what I am reading is that the watch continually slows down and gets worse. THAT scenario, is a problem. My advise would be to watch it, check it once in a while, but if one day it is -2.0001 seconds as compared to the atomic clock, it is nothing to throw a fit about. |
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I find this very very strange in over 50 years of being around Rolex watches never heard of any Rolex movement going fast then slow + - by 35 seconds daily .What did Rolex state what was wrong with it, as it would be more than just simple regulation's.
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Going that fast in that short of time has a magnetized feel about it. Then the mainspring not sticking to itself due to being not magnetized quite enough and freeing itself to a normal length would go back to normal. Thats my educated guess.
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The declining daily timekeeping is the only issue of major concern and it is the prime motivating factor behind this poll in order to losely establish the extent of the problem. |
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If according to Rolex the hairspring is non magnetic which would be the main culprit if magnetised, and in general yes would speed up ,but not then slow down by same amount ,and it's got nothing to do with the mainspring.
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Did you ask the RSC about the origin of this large fluctuations (-35 to +35 s/d)? Do you know what they repaired? Any indication on the invoice?
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My watch is running consistently -1.3 or .4 seconds slow per day, that is within the +-2 seconds a day Rolex claims it should be. I will probably not answer this correctly, and don’t claim to know the exact answer, but there was a thread on here (probably years ago) that described the new +-2 seconds a day and explained that it was an “average.” I do not know if it was over 10 days or a month or what, and I hope someone who knows can explain better then myself. The point was in one day, with heat, knocks, sunspots, whatever, it could possible exceed +- 2 seconds, but over all, it will be an average of +- 2. |
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Watchmakers on this Forum have indicated a problem with the 3235 movement but I can't remember reading about a specific issue that is being addressed by RSC's.
At one time it was a lubrication issue (from memory) on one pivot or cog? Now it seems to have changed into a possible design, assembly or tolerance issue that may have the potential to cause a problem down the road. How far down the road I don't know as this depends on how often the watch is worn. I only have one Rolex with the 3235 movement and have only worn it a few times since it was purchased in November 2019. I have more than a few watches and an issue with this watch may not be noticed until well after the warranty has expired. If there is a problem I would be interested in finding out now. So at the risk of antagonizing some on this thread I will post up my results. I will leave it up to much smarter members to evaluate the results.
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![]() Its a reading from a brand new 3235 movement .Worn a couple of times. Amplitude at 48 hours below 200.Accuracy at that stage ok . As a new movement its actually for practical purposes a 48h movement . I have to ask ,if the amplitude is below 200 at 48h on a new 3235 movement .Is this really a good 72h design (At this stage of course,since they always improve their movements...eventually ) ?? Lets assume it stays this way and does not get slower after a few months of actual wearing. |
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To Andad (post #347) and TsawneNguni (post #348)
Dear both, Many thanks for your contributions, much appreciated. Especially the DJ41 vs 14060M data set comparison. I’ll come back later to a few of your specific points for which I have some concrete data-based answers. I’m sitting in the same boat as I have more than a couple of Rolex watches, including an unworn BLRO and a rarely worn CHNR, which have remarkable amplitude and rate issues. In the meantime, you may find explanations already in the data and plots I shared here in posts #11, #197, #240, #269, #317. Anyway, I’m surprised that nobody came back to it until now… Cheers |
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Incidentally I had a Rolex retimed at HQ recently. But only because it was pretty seriously off. Ten seconds a day, while a few months old. That’s my definition of poor timekeeping. |
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The evidence , from this thread and multiple previous postings,is pretty clear . The question is :The market is high ,do I keep them or get rid of them ? Some really nice references ,which I really want to keep ...DSSD JC,SD50th ,DJ 41 blu/Flu/Jub etc. Or do I make it Rolex's problem by sending them in just before the end of the 5 year warrantee ,by which time Rolex may have sorted out their 32xx series design ? |
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I don't think anyone is expecting quartz accuracy from their 3235 movement or any other mechanical, that would be unreasonable. The real problem in my case is my SD43 is consistently negative, it's never positive in any position. So it won't even out, no matter how you wear it. Even if it's just - 5.5 s/d on average, it'll consistently be almost 3 minutes late in a month time, month after month. All my other mechanical watches partially correct themselves with self regulation, but not my 3235 based SD43. I'm holding off taking it to the RSC unless it gets significantly worse. |
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I just set them a little ahead. For instance, four seconds would be about 30s a week. Adjust once a week. Works for me, and no bother. |
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Well again the most important thing with any mechanical watch is consistency so even if it was - 6 seconds its still 99.94% accurate. But if any watch is showing a consistent -+ few seconds all thats needed is simple regulation. But myself would not worry and fret over a consistent 4 seconds over tested Rolex spec. As in a day the escapement of a mechanical watch pushes the gears 432,000 times and there are 86,400 seconds in a day.
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The Saga of -2/+2 sec/day after casing
First, well summarized in post #355, as many times before in other threads, thanks for repeating here too! Second, I need to add that many TRF's cannot really appreciate what -2/+2 sec/day means "in the real world". I had to laugh during writing, but it is absolute true… There has been a large number of individual posts, from which I drew the conclusion that authors do not understand, or have not yet tried to find out, what the difference between accuracy and precision means. Rolex certainly knows the difference between accuracy and precision, hence they define the precision only. All published caliber specs are measured in best equipped and controlled Rolex labs, following defined procedures and acceptance criteria, of course including the application of timegrapher series measurements, they do that since decades. Having said that, it is clear that they must have millions (!) of data points for rates, amplitudes, lift angles … for the caliber 3200 series. What we try to collect here, including my few measurements, is absolutely nothing (statistically speaking) compared to what they have in their databases. Rolex also knows (as I do) that it is impossible to specify the accuracy, because it depends on so many parameters (see e.g. #355) that are given by external conditions (gravity, magnetic field…) as well as the owners wearing profiles, which varies a lot. This misunderstanding of the -2/+2 sec/day saga created and still creates wrong expectations for the 3200 series calibers, as well as for all previous ones. I have not seen one post here that shows a precision measurement! I have done one with a 3235 caliber, which I could share at a later moment, in case of positive and encouraging feedback. I am not a watchmaker, not a WIS, and have none of the mentioned seconds-checking-syndroms. I am just interested in the technical aspect and don't care if my watches have a rate of +4,5,6… sec/day. As long as this rate remains consistent, i.e. day-to-day similar, everything is fine. Then it is only a matter to get the watch regulated or adapted to your wearing pattern, which I never did. This also holds if a watch runs consistently slow every day. But this has nothing to do with "-2/+2 sec/day after casing" as published by Rolex. I hope that helps some "critical minds" to understand what we should (or could) aim at. Support and feedback is essential to keep going here. |
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