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1,045 | 69.90% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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62 | 4.15% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 25.95% |
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The only two watches I didn’t observe this is a seiko 6r35 which is simply a terrible movement and my problematic dj with 3235. |
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When you get beyond watch enthusiasts and social media show—offs you find the normal people who wear the same watch day in day out: these people rely on their watches and would certainly be disappointed at such accuracy. |
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They certainly have quite a challenge on their hands when you think about the logistics of fixing- particularly as they’ll want to do so with as little noise as possible. I have one of the new explorers, it’s about 18 months old. It started losing time dramatically in December’22 & went to the RSC for repair. I got it back about a month ago & I’m keeping a close eye on the accuracy. All of this is intensely annoying as I absolutely love the explorer otherwise. I really don’t want to part with it so I guess I’ll have to put my trust into the fact that Rolex will fix eventually. Last edited by Mountain; 20 March 2023 at 03:40 PM.. Reason: Extra |
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![]() ![]() A discussion about technical aspects, e.g., the isochronism described in post 3652, would be by far more interesting for me than all the other stuff like 8.64E4 seconds/day, watches as jewelry, Rolex will fix it, or other nonsensical stuff that we have read again and again in this thread. 2023 is already year 8 after the introduction of the 3235 movement in 2015. Quote:
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Rolex to me is Lexus. Not the most prestigious. Not made from the most exotic materials. But a very nice product that is, above all, built on a reputation of reliability. Now imagine what Lexus would be if you started seeing them broke down on the side of the road everywhere. You didn't have the prestige of a Rolls, nor the performance of a Porsche, nor the exclusivity of a McLaren, and now you've lost reliability too?? Game over. Furthermore, I would hope it is obvious to those at Rolex HQ that you can't simply move upmarket by raising MSRP. Rolex is a brand that doesn't even show you their movements. A $500 Hamilton will have a display case but a $110k Rainbow Daytona is a "nothing to see here" affair when it comes to the movement. Rolex movements have always been characterized as "robust, dead reliable, and not much to look at." Take the first 2 out of the description and you aren't left with much to brag about! Rolex also aren't big on complications. They've got a chrono and an annual calendar and that's pretty much it. Hell, even Bell and Ross and Bulgari have tourbillons in their lineups. Rolex have a long way to go if haute horology is the game they wish to play. |
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![]() I also note that when they're picked up/retrieved from the side of the road after they've "failed to proceed", it's within a completely covered truck. Now that may be for any number of reasons including superlative protection of the paintwork and or body work, but I imagine it has the added benefit of concealing the vehicle from the public's awareness. Naturally, public awareness is all well and good as long as they are proceeding along the road with typical Rolls Royce style and grace, not to mention a certain element of conspicuous consumption. Perhaps Rowlex Wristwatches have attained such exhalted status as a Rolls Royce motor car? I can see some common traits between the two brands ![]() I've given some deep consideration to the periodical Rolex and car comparisons and have come to the conclusion that Rolex shares a characteristic or two with Toyota in that they have similar volume of production relative to their respective industries and Toyota's aren't as highly regarded in terms of reliability as what they used to be and built a solid reputation on ![]() |
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This was the reason for my prior post thinking that the 32xx calibre came out in 2020.
I understand that it didn't, but the statement below from Rolex sure led me to believe it did. Screen Shot 2023-03-20 at 5.58.56 PM.png
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Agreed. How unfortunate that there is no fix for the time being
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Back with fresh data. Back in December 22 I had several watches that I had taken a fair amount of TG readers. One of which is my DD40. I was super not happy with the number so that one went in for warranty repair - shipped Jan 6, returned Mar 3, exactly 8 weeks to the day. I have been a bit busy the last couple of weeks but here are the current readings as of this morning.
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#3673 | |
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I also submit that I may be missing something with the graph, and I don’t have the equipment to test amplitude. At the same time, I submit that nothing will ever be as accurate as a clock that continually updates itself like the clock in my phone. |
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Prior to the 0-48 reading I had a couple of days of 0 and 24 readings. The attachment includes the data in the most previous post.
A high level summary of pre and post service: Pre 0hr AvgRate -4.96, AvgAmp 219.8 Post 0Hr AvgRate +.95, AvgAmp 239.1 Pre 24hr AvgRate -4.48, AvgAmp 229.6 Post 24Hr AvgRate -1, AvgAmp 218.4 Pre 48hr AvgRate -10.3, AvgAmp 176.8 Post 48Hr AvgRate -3.28, AvgAmp 184.2 (Only one data set for each @48hr) |
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So it sounds like oil migrating is not the primary (sole) suspect?
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Are your employers aware of these posts? While I definitely value your input, for your own sake, you may wish to tread lightly ..
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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The 3255 rates are much better after the service. For Amplitude 6U (before service) something went wrong with the measurement after 24 hours, imo. ![]() Isochronism Day-Date 40 before/after service compared to your GMT-Master II BLNR (no service). The DD40 improvement in isochronism is very clear. ![]() |
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Why timegrapher measurements and all my graphs with 32xx data?
Because I am curious, every day, and do not want to stop learning. The usefulness of the diagrams I have shown in posts #3652 and #3685, which contain measurement data for the so-called 32xx isochronism, may not be so obvious to some members. If you look at the following three points in such a diagram, one can get a good picture of the health of a 32xx movement: (1) The maximum value of the average amplitude (X-Amplitude), which is usually measured after a full winding. This value should be as high as possible. (2) The slope "m" of the fitted curve for the data points. It should be as high as possible, which means that the caliber rates do not depend (strongly) on the caliber amplitude, which is called isochronism. (3) The average rate (X-Rate) after full winding, which should be inside COSC or better in the -2/+2 sec/day range. If you repeat this rather simple timegrapher measurements, only about 2-3 times per year, you can detect significant movement changes, e.g., a slow decrease in maximum amplitude (after full winding) after several months. This would allow any interested 32xx owner to perform a simple analysis of his 32xx watch. The presented isochronism analysis does NOT solve the movement problem, it does NOT detect the root cause of the 32xx issues, it does NOT answer "when Rolex will have a permanent fix" …. BUT it enables any watch owner to do a simple diagnostic. It is obvious how VERY useful a timegrapher can be, despite the so many negative posts against this instrument and against members who do care about accuracy (and precision) of their Rolex watches. |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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Right photo: Datejust 41, posted on TRF by Bas in 03/2019. My question "Or does the new engraving come along with an improved 32xx movement which contains some visible component modifications to cure the 32xx issue(s)?" was not answered directly but no visible component modification and often no component wear detectable. The root cause of issues seems to be (or is) the 32xx design including the migration of lubricants, so basically 'everything' imo. Apropos design: the Rolex 32xx calibers have only one mainspring barrel for approx. 70 hours of power reserve. Fifty Fathoms movements (1151, 1315) have 2 or 3 series-coupled barrels for 100 or 120 hours power reserve, which is much better imo. |
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For kicks I ran my DD40 measurements out to 60hrs. I have done that previously on a couple of watches, including the DD40 prior to repair. So far I have found the 60hr readings to represent near useless rates and amplitudes. On my recently repaired DD40 the difference between pre and post service are rather distinct.
Pre 60hr AvgRate -26.12, AvgAmp 147.4 Post 60Hr AvgRate -6.36, AvgAmp 159.6 FWIW |
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If there is one bright side to this issue, it is the ease of detection. You don't have to be a super genius with exotic equipment, any normal person who takes a few measurements can clearly see the trend. One horizontal reading, one vertical, at full wind and again at 24 hours, are all you need. Write them down and repeat in 6 months. Done. You literally can't miss it.
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What’s the best iPhone app to track performance?
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