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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
Yes, no issues |
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1,039 | 69.83% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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61 | 4.10% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 26.08% |
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#4741 |
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Updated BLNR Data. This watch was purchased 7/19 from an AD. It has run very well. Current readings in a vacuum look ok, but they are down a bit from about 6 months ago. What may be worth note is I used to wear this watch maybe 3-4 times a week. Now I only wear it a couple of times a month.
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#4742 | |
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#4743 |
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Comparison 02/2024 (left) vs. 08/2023 (right)
- Position-dependent amplitudes decreased. - Position-dependent rates very similar until 48 hours. ![]() |
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#4744 |
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Comparison timegrapher data 12/2022 vs. 07/2023 vs. 02/2024:
The average rate of this 3285 caliber, measured in 02/2024, is perfect until 48 hours and nearly unchanged compared to the last measurement in 07/2023. BUT, looking into the rates (accuracy) alone does not show that the 3285 has decreased in amplitudes (especially in vertical position) and is now rather close to the Rolex acceptance criteria of 200° after 24 hours. This watch should keep very good time but it has caught the 32xx low-amplitude virus (starting with the vertical positions). ![]() |
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#4745 |
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Greetings TRFers.
I recently joined the forum and have been reading the posts in this thread with great interest. I have learnt so much. I was experiencing bad timekeeping with my 126333, a TT DJ41 Wimbledon. It was a 2017 piece and I had it “serviced” at an RSC just prior to the expiry of the warranty in 2022. It came back from the RSC and kept time perfectly; well within the “Superlative Chronometer” specifications at about +1 spd. Time check provided by my iPhone. I noted this in the first month it returned. As I have a few watches and I like to rotate their wrist time, I did not notice any significant degradation in the DJ’s accuracy. I rotate the wearing of my watches on a weekly basis. As with the experience of many of you here, my DJ developed the “much dreaded disease”. It lost almost one minute per day. This was after a period of non-use, probably around six months, if I recall correctly. Up until recently, I was not aware of the amplitude issue (and possibly other factors) that affected the calibers 32xx that was discussed here. As it was no longer under warranty, I promptly sold the DJ and acquired a 2018 DSSD 126660. And yes, no prizes for guessing, the DSSD apparently had this issue too. In my few days of wearing it, the DSSD lost about 30 seconds. So I Googled the topic, which led me to this thread. And now I know that I was not alone. My experience is entirely anecdotal and not empirical in any way as I do not possess a timegrapher. And neither am I inclined to acquire one, at least not in the near future. Yes, it pisses me off whenever I think about it, that the Rolex attributes of precision and dependability have been thrown out the window, despite what it says on the dial. I have an Explorer II running on a 3187 that is ticking along at about +1/1.5 spd after a full service in late 2022. It is still keeping good time. Where accuracy is concerned, I prefer my watches to run faster, not slower. So, I was on the verge of disposing of the DSSD (by way of a sale, of course) but I could not bear to do so as I had always wanted a Deepsea. It looks handsome on the wrist and after one week of wearing it, this observation is corroborated by the number of glances that turned my way. At a meeting today, someone complimented me on the beautiful Sea-Dweller. So like some of the members have mentioned, whilst I am now acquainted with the ills of the 32xx movement, I will instead enjoy the beauty of the watch for what it is. And catch up on the lost seconds every once in a while. Life is short. Live it. |
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#4746 |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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#4747 |
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I have completed a 60hr test on my new LV 2.0. Really the point of this post is to show how this one starts life, a bit more thoroughly. Ultimately it is running fine, maybe I would like to see the amp readings in the vertical a bit higher, but the time is good. If the performance stays as such I will be happy enough. Only time will tell, pun mildly intended.
60hr test, watch ran for approximately 72hrs, 24 mins. |
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#4748 |
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Hello. I’ve been lurking around the forums but this is my first time posting. My DJ41 is about 2 years old and just developed the low frequency problem. Running about 25 seconds slow per day all of a sudden after being within specs for the first two years. Sending it to RSC for warranty work soon. I also have a GMT II which so far is working great
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#4749 |
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Some data points
SD43 with 8/6/19 warranty card
EXP II with a 6/17/21 warranty card Sub with a 4/28/22 warranty card Down is crown down Up is crown up Avg 3 is the average of Dial up, crown down, 6 up. I find the average of these three to be the closest to how it runs on the wrist. |
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#4750 | |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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Can you provide your own view and more background? Btw: the Delta for your SD43 3/3/2024 after full winding is wrong: it is 3.1 and not 4.3; and there are some more wrong numbers in your lists. |
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#4751 | |
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#4752 | |
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- 126610LV #2 vs. 126610LV #1 (amplitudes, rates) - 126610LV #2 vs. 126710BLNR (amplitudes, rates) - 126610LV #2 vs. 126610LV #1 vs. 126710BLNR (Xa, Xr) |
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#4753 |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
- 126610LV #2 vs. 126610LV #1 (amplitudes, rates)
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#4754 |
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- 126610LV #2 vs. 126710BLNR (amplitudes, rates)
- Watches 2024 vs. 2019 ![]() |
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#4755 |
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- 126610LV #2 vs. 126610LV #1 vs. 126710BLNR (Xa, Xr)
- Watches 2024 vs. 2023 vs. 2019 ![]() |
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#4756 |
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Thanks for producing and posting these graphs. These are much easier to track than the raw data tables.
I don't really have the horological vernacular to describe the amplitude graph on the new LV2. But I find it interesting how clean and uniform the traces are for each position. Looking a the graph I say that watch is currently running very well and quite consistent. The rates also seem very comparable to the BLNR - which has been, to date, my best running 32. |
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#4757 |
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Watch: 228235
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Hello
i have a DD40 228235 with 3255 movement from june 2018. I do not wear it often (1 time per month). But i see now it lost 30s/day. I ordered a timegrapher and i will do the test and post here when i receive it. My watch is not under warranty and rolex in France tell me it has to be serviced. |
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#4758 | |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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The movement issue of your watch had appeared much earlier but was not (easily) visible for you without a timegrapher. |
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#4759 | |
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It's consistent with what Bas had previously indicated would be the case. One thing is certain. There will be more of it going forward. So much for the ownership experience ![]() I very much hope there is a solid fix for these movements in place now ![]() |
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#4760 | ||
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It would be very interesting to see more data from new 32xx watches (bought in 2024) and the new models* which Rolex released last year. I have not even seen one set of timegrapher data, maybe member EasyE wants to buy one of the new models? *New models released in 2023: Cosmograph Daytona (Ref. 126506), caliber 4131 with Chronergy escapement, PR approx. 72 hours 1908 (Ref. 52508), caliber 7140 with Chronergy escapement, PR approx. 66 hours Sky-Dweller (Ref. 336934), caliber 9002 with Chronergy escapement, PR approx. 72 hours |
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#4761 | |
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I think it get worse when the power reserve decrease. |
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#4762 |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
For a proper diagnostic I recommend that you get a timegrapher, do a full winding, and measure amplitudes, rates, and beat errors along the complete power reserve, as described several times in this thread. I also suggest that you read this thread to avoid the most common errors. Good luck!
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#4763 |
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For what it´s worth, in a German Rolex Forum there is a post in which the user describes what has been changed in his watch that had the 32XX-Problems:
https://www.r-l-x.de/forum/showthrea...=1#post7118138 I am no watch technician and English is not my mother tongue but I think they changed the pallet fork, escape wheel, second wheel and minute wheel. Can it be that the error is located in one of these components? I can´t remember that we ever had a detailed description of the parts that were actually changed in one of the warranty repairs. Maybe the solution lies in a reworked and improved iteration of these 4 parts? Can a watchmaker (Bas ?) confirm that? |
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#4764 | |
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#4765 | |
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The guy described the following: "Yes, the watch was not at Rolex in Cologne, but the retailer has a watchmaker who carried out the work. Perhaps Rolex has given instructions to the retailers with qualified watchmakers as to what work is to be carried out?" This is complete nonsense! This non-RSC watchmaker just replaced all the parts you listed, hoping that would help. |
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#4766 | |
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#4767 |
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Submariner 124060 (3230) 1 year of ownership test using Weishi 1000.
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After full wind Position Rate Amplitude Beat error DU +4 288 0.1 6U +4 259 0.0 9U +2 256 0.1 3U 0 259 0.2 DD 0 287 0.0 After 24h Position Rate Amplitude Beat error DU +4 270 0.0 6U 0 238 0.2 9U 0 235 0.2 3U 0 240 0.2 DD 0 269 0.0 After 48h Position Rate Amplitude Beat error DU +5 240 0.0 6U +1 204 0.1 9U 0 202 0.2 3U -1 202 0.1 DD +1 233 0.1 |
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#4768 |
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As previously noted, my Datejust was running slow (2021 model). I’ve sent it to Rolex for repair under warranty. What was amusing is that despite it running anything from 3-8 seconds a day slow, the sales rep at the AD initially pushed back, stating that automatic watches aren’t precise and operate within tolerances - she suggested leaving it until it ran minutes a day slow. I pointed out the Rolex +2/-2 tolerance and she went very quiet….
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#4769 | |
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#4770 |
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Wow, talk about details, etc. Wonder how much longer this thread will keep going just because.....
They sorted mine, under warranty, and that's what counts imho. Those who wear their timepieces daily will surely know before the five-year warranty expires ![]()
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