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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
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No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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61 | 4.10% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 26.08% |
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Interesting pics.
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This photo (or one very similar) has been published before and contributed to the lack of lubrication theory that has been bantered about these last few years. You can see a groove worn at the top of the pivot... (I believe that is the correct term for the portion that inserts into a jewell).
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Yes there is a groove in the pivot (normal spot for wear) But the design of the axle is also changed, maybe just a production change or its for something. |
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No recommendation just a discovery i made being curious and looking for wear on parts and also comparing old and new parts. There is information that the pallet bridge needs epilame because of migration of lubricant from dial side, interfering with the pallet fork, this information came a couple of years ago and was updated information for many calibers(3135, 2235 etc) and not exclusively for 32. |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
Not at all Dirt … without any more technical details. The poster also does not provide any background about his expertise.
Much more interesting, at least to me, are caliber data measured for 2023 and new 2024 watches with 32xx calibers. This was and still is the objective for this thread, to collect facts and "real data" - look back at post #1 in this thread. There are enough 32xx nonsense threads on the internet, including this site. All above of course is only my personal view. As soon as you reach 300 posts in this thread the management should consider to grant you the TRF Ig Nobel Prize. |
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Below is a very good example how to track a 32xx watch using a timegrapher. A Submariner 126610LV, caliber 3235, purchased in 05/2023, measured in 07/2023 and 01/2024. Watch and measurements from EasyE ![]() This 3235 watch, only about 7 months old in 01/2024, obviously had too low amplitudes in all three vertical positions. The movement issue was already visible directly after purchase! BUT ONLY WITH A TIMEGRAPHER. |
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I had a 2021 no date Sub - a real grail watch and a regular wear. After awhile, I saw it losing time that I actually noticed (other 32xx series watches of mine lose time, but at such a slow rate that it's essentially a none issue). I took it to the AD a couple months ago, they said it had low amplitude and so sent it in for service. It came back about a month ago. Not only were the hands ever so slightly misaligned, but the time-keeping did not improve (I did not have a timegrapher at the point, but now I do). Being pretty thoroughly disappointed and knowing of the recurring 32xx issues, I sold the Sub yesterday. Wanting a replacement and a clean slate, I went to my AD just to browse and chat, but they ended up having the new METAS Tudor monochrome - so I bought it. Now, of course the Sub runs circles around the Tudor in terms of aesthetics and that's big part of the whole experience, but Tudor gives off a nice, if brutalist, Sub vibe and has the huge benefit of an extraordinarily robust movement. I will certainly be paying more attention to Tudor, and maybe even Omega lol.
I am now keeping track for my 3 other 32xx series watches (DJ, OP, EX2) and may publish my findings here. It's really disappointing how Rolex's inability / refusal to address the issue has sucked the fun out of collecting their watches for me. One question I had was whether this issue, which seems commented to the new escapement could also pop up in other watches with this new tech - such at that in the Daytona. |
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Sorry for the awkward format/spacing - best I could do at the moment. First amplitude is the OP, next is the DJ, and the final set is the EXP II
OP 41 DJ 41 EXP II FULL DU 278 0 s/d 277 +1 s/d 278 +1 s/d 3U 233 -1 s/d 235 -1 s/d 245 0 s/d 6U 239 -1 s/d 230 0 s/d 242 -3 s/d 9U 239 0 s/d 235 0 s/d 241 -2 s/d DD 296 -2 s/d 263 +2 s/d 277 +1 s/d 12 HOURS DU 264 +1 s/d 270 +1 s/d 262 +1 s/d 3U 224 -1 s/d 234 -1 s/d 230 -1 s/d 6U 226 0 s/d 232 +1 s/d 236 0 s/d 9U 234 0 s/d 233 0 s/d 234 -2 s/d DD 262 -3 s/d 256 +2 s/d 265 0 s/d 24 HOURS DU 254 +1 s/d 256 +2 s/d 255 0 s/d 3U 216 -1 s/d 223 -2 s/d 227 -2 s/d 6U 219 0 s/d 221 -1 s/d 226 0 s/d 9U 216 -5 s/d 221 -2 s/d 227 -2 s/d DD 252 -2 s/d 243 +1 s/d 253 0 s/d 36 HOURS DU 233 +1 s/d 252 +1 s/d 246 0 s/d 3U 193 -3 s/d 213 -2 s/d 216 -1 s/d 6U 196 -1 s/d 210 -2 s/d 221 -1 s/d 9U 197 -5 s/d 207 -2 s/d 213 -3 s/d DD 239 -3 s/d 241 +2 s/d 233 -1 s/d 48 HOURS DU 223 0 s/d 222 +1 s/d 220 -1 s/d 3U 174 -2 s/d 194 -3 s/d 195 -3 s/d 6U 172 0 s/d 188 -5 s/d 206 -2 s/d 9U 176 -8 s/d 190 -2 s/d 196 -4 s/d DD 211 -3 s/d 218 +1 s/d 222 -2 s/d Last edited by Penelope2017; 5 May 2024 at 04:19 AM.. Reason: bad formatting |
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What is your conclusion from these data? What was the timegrapher lift angle setting? The arrangement of all these numbers is not very clear, the use of tables or graphs would be much better for an overview and a comparison. |
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The amplitude of the the DJ and the EXP II look pretty good imo (though I'm less enthusiastic about the rate in vertical positions). The OP is a bit more questionable on amplitude, but still holds values over 200 after 24 hours. |
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Here is a crude layout of some of the data
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the last entry:
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EXP II = -0.3 s/d DJ = +0.2 s/d OP = -1 s/d |
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Your numbers look pretty good to me.
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I am not an expert, but these numbers look really good to me. I wouldn't do anything unless it starts deviating seriously.
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OP41 = Ref.124300, caliber 3230 DJ41 = Ref. 26333, caliber 3235 EXP II = Ref. 226570, caliber 3285 |
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EXP II = -0.6 s/d DJ 41 = +0.4 s/d OP 41 = -0.8 s/d ![]() |
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This is absolutely amazing! Thank you so much for your time in putting these charts together!
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My brand new Sub started loosing 2-3s a day out of nowhere, a few days ago. It was at 0-0 for three months and last week suddenly went off ![]() Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
You started another thread a few hours ago and now want to discuss in parallel with less watch information here? Not satisfied with the replies over there? Here we collect and discuss 32xx data.
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This is actually pretty normal behavior as a movement on a brand new watch "settles in" after a while. Sometimes the accuracy improves, sometimes not. But your Sub appears to still be in spec.
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