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View Poll Results: Does your 32xx movement seem to be 100% ok? | |||
Yes, no issues |
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1,039 | 69.83% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine |
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61 | 4.10% |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) |
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388 | 26.08% |
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#4981 |
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Regrettably, we just don't keep that sort of documentation in my shop, and I cannot produce that on demand. I have been servicing 32's for a few years now, and in that time I have only seen a couple with amplitudes that high. If I see another one, I will post it.
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So I would guess that rate issue is due to seconds wheel lubrication problem, that was mentioned somewhere and not to a low or lower amplitude, as we can see on new watches that it keeps perfect time with a really low amplitude. I heard many stories about that problem with lubrication.
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A quick search yielded this timing sheet as posted by DJ2020. It's not quite the 300, but I can see someone rounding it to 300. This thread discussed the lift angle of the 32xx, and the difference between using 55 vs 53 could also explain the following amplitude.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=699001
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
What do you want to tell me?
High amplitudes (298°; 290°) measured with a wrong lift angle (55° instead of 53°) for a new 32xx watch that has a power reserve of only 54 hours? Come on! You are a professional watchmaker? This piece of paper is worth nothing. FACT: the difference between 55° and 53° lift angles is about 11° in amplitude. My measurements (below) and a very simple calculation proof that. The shown error bars (in the graph) are measured precision numbers. I am afraid that this thread has now taken a wrong direction. In my view we should discuss correctly measured 32xx data, especially of new 2023-24 watches. ![]() |
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My blue Yachtmaster (Reference 126622) started losing time exactly one year after purchase. Picked it up in June 2023, and today at the AD the timegrapher measurements confirmed that it'll need a trip to Rolex HQ.
- Watchmaker: what did you do to the watch? - Me: nothing - Watchmaker: that's what they all say! - Me: I know about the low amplitude issues in your 3235 movements. - Watchmaker: don't worry, we'll fix it under warranty. |
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I am waiting for the timegrapher. In the meantime, the watch runs steadily at +0.5-1,5 seconds per day, regardless of position. I am continuing the tests.
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Thanks for the info and timegrapher data, your 06/2023 watch has caught the virus. Questions/Answers suggest that this watchmaker is an AD (Bucherer?) liar and incompetent. Otherwise he would have known that Rolex movements are not regulated in 6 but 5 positions and should have skipped the measurement in 12U. Anyhow, sorry to hear that also your watch has the well known 32xx caliber issue. With X = -2 s/d, how much is this watch losing on your wrist? |
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I have another one slipping. Its a 2021 model.
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![]() I'm a long time lurker, and was hoping that by 2023 Rolex would've addressed the issue in production... When I got the watch in June 2023, I used WatchTracker to measure its accuracy:
I did the last measurement 6 months later:
I just picked up my new Submariner (124060), and after two days it's running slow at -1.4 s/d. However, it's too early to draw conclusions, so I'll keep wearing it and measure its accuracy. I also ordered a Weishi 1900, and will post results here. |
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So, the watch is from 05/2024, caliber 3235, lift angle 53 degrees, fully wound. Weishi 1900.
Dial UP +3 s/d 270 degrees BE 0,2ms Crown UP -1 s/d 236 degrees BE 0,1ms Dial Down +0 s/d 269 degrees BE 0,0ms Crown Down +1 s/d 233 degrees BE 0,3ms 12H UP -1 s/d 228 degrees BE 0,0ms 6H UP +0 s/d 230 degrees BE 0,2ms What do you think about it? I will conduct a repeated measurement in 24 hours. |
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Understanding the "viral" problem
Viral Infection
Viral infections occur when a virus enters the entity and successfully takes over a host cell to begin the process of causing problems. This can occur at the site of entry, also known as a localized infection, or the virus can spread throughout the body, causing a systemic infection and failure in varying degrees. Contagious The duration that an infected watch can be contagious varies and can be impacted by the severity of the viral infection. It is usually only deemed to only reach full good order after a visit to a spa aka Service Center. It is possible for a watch to be a carrier of a virus without showing any symptoms in the beginning but spreading the virus to others around them who immediately reach for a timegrapher to hopefully understand the situation..
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Here are the results after 24 hours:
DU +2 s/d 243 degrees 0,1 ms Crown Up +0 s/d 215 degrees 0,0 ms DD +0 s/d 244 degrees 0,1 ms 6H Up +0 s/d 212 degrees 0,2 ms 12H Up -4 s/d 207 degrees 0,0 ms What do you think about it? |
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You are measuring 12H. That’s something that’s not measured The 5 positions to measure in no particular order are … CH, CB, 3H, 6H and 9H. Rolex 32xx movements are measured in 5 positions (Not 6) leaving out 12H
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I just decided to provide all the information, as there is an opportunity.
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32xx movement problem poll and data thread
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Well done everybody.
The information given in this thread has been a great help to me for one.
I am sure many others have been fascinated by the data and what it has proved and shown also. Thank you for your contributions.
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A little reminder of what to do and how to do it.
I felt it was probably time for a small refresher for one and all as to the correct procedure for measuring watches with a 32xx caliber.
The procedure is very simple and it is the same if you have almost any brand of timegrapher. It would seem that many of the members here have bought Weishi branded timegraphers and although they are relatively inexpensive they do give very good, clear and accurate results. So …. Here is a simple to follow guide of what the correct procedure is ….. For everybody joining in the fun of caliber investigations using a timegrapher, I fully recommend you follow these simple steps: Do the following procedures in a quiet environment as noises can affect the readings. (Turn the Taylor Swift music down). 1). Firstly set your Timegrapher to measure with the lift angle of 53 degrees. This is the angle that Rolex have designed into the watch, any other angle will result in false inaccurate readings. 2). Use the highest possible setting for sensitivity - On a Weishi 1900 model this is 99.9 3). Measure your watch in 5 positions (DU, DD, 3U, 6U, 9U) (Not the 12U position) and note down the rates, amplitudes, and beat errors. All of this data is very useful. Rolex watches are measured in only 5 positions. 4). Start off by fully winding your watch (40+ complete crown turns as a minimum) 5). Place the watch on your timegrapher, in the DU position. 6). Wait (10-15 minutes) for stabilisation. (Please be patient !) Don’t touch the watch 7). Start your timegrapher measurements, which usually takes about 2 minutes in each of the 5 (NOT 6) positions. 8). Change watch position after 2 minutes, wait (2 minutes) and then measure the next position and so on until you have completed all 5 positions 9). This you do sequentially for all 5 positions. I recommend you use the sequence of DU, 6U,9U, 3U and lastly DD 10). Save all data in a spreadsheet file (Preferably an Excel file). 11). Calculate average values and error bars (standard deviation). 12). Save the file. On some machines you will see the positions as: CH, 6H, 9H, 3H, CB. Don’t worry, many machines use French as their language but the order is the same. Either method of writing the results is good as they are exactly the same. For long term measurements, leave your watch (at rest) in DU position on the timegrapher, repeat the sequence with certain time intervals. Such as 12 hour, 24, 36, 48 and 72 hour intervals. But … Between these intervals leave your watch still and undisturbed and untouched in the DU position Note: The more data you collect the better; with 0, 24, 36 etc. intervals … If you don’t follow a full sequence you are likely to miss detecting some caliber characteristics, e.g. a fast decrease in amplitudes after full winding. Following these simple procedures will allow us to obtain comparable data sets, which can be visualised in graphs, as done previously in this thread. Glossary: DU (or CH). = Dial Up DD (or CB). = Dial Down 3U (or 3H). = 3 Up 6U (or 6H). = 6 Up 9U (or 9H). = 9 Up To calculate the average reading … Add all 5 figures in a sequence and then divide by 5. Thats the average. The Sigma is the difference between the highest and lowest reading in a set. Note: A lot of the procedure typed here has been copied and pasted from posts and advice given by our good friend here on this forum Saxo3
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Is it true that the problem with this mechanism is still unknown? Is it correct that the number of complaints about new watches has indeed decreased, which possibly means the issue has been resolved?
At the moment, it is still possible to buy watches with the old 3135 movement. Should I consider purchasing a watch with the old mechanism, or is it not worth it? |
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The "decrease" in problems seems to come from a recent post by Bas saying he's seeing much fewer 32xx movements coming in with issues than in the past. That does make me hopeful, but I'd personally want to see a lot more evidence that Rolex has come up with a permanent fix. FWIW, my personal opinion is these movements are duds. I think what is most likely is Rolex comes up with a new movement (either the 33xx or a massive change in the architecture of the 32xx) and moves on, and the 32xx watches end up needing service at much more frequent intervals than other watches. |
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I have the same opinion. Think new calibre will be released soon. Just wonder what they will manage to disguise it as. Silicon hairspring perhaps? Improved anti magnetism for the new Millgouse? And then fit in whatever models are due next. |
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Mostly lurk here but took a recent interest in this thread as I believe I may have an affected watch (was always +0.5-1 s/d, then all of a sudden a few weeks ago -1.7 s/d). Has anybody had a 3230 that genuinely just required regulation?
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1. Rolex is calibrating movements at the factory to run much closer to the +2 end of the tolerance. That could potentially delay the time it takes for the watch to fall out of spec. I guarantee 99% of people making warranty claims are doing so based on timekeeping (that is either obvious or they track on an app) as opposed to amplitude. 2. Rolex is voiding more warranties of watches traded on the secondary market. Quote:
As for repairs to 3230-series watches, I wonder when it'll get cheap enough to replace the movements with the "new" series at service? Quote:
Unfortunately, there aren't too many in-production 36mm watches with manufacture calibers and 100m (or more) depth rating. Tudors look great, but I don't like the idea of movement swaps at service (especially ones using used parts). |
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Mine is -2s on a wrist out of a box and it is brand new, so they are not regulated to +2s. Also my friends OP is -2s a day on the wrist.
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Sure, I agree and that is why I think that change of a sec or two up or down in a couple of months is not valid and nothing to worry about. I would not send my watch with that kind of variation, more then 10s per day is something to worry about
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