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Yes, no issues | 1,054 | 69.71% | |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine | 62 | 4.10% | |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) | 396 | 26.19% | |
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10 October 2024, 11:54 PM | #5341 | |
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Why should a movement deteriorate drastically after running to about 83% (58/70) of its power reserve? |
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11 October 2024, 07:16 AM | #5342 | |
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Maybe a gentle interrogation of the RSC when this Submariner is being picked from service will prove helpful. |
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11 October 2024, 08:11 AM | #5343 |
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11 October 2024, 08:53 AM | #5344 | |
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Rolex don't like to give out too much information.
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For science's sake, I just tossed it on the 1900 and let it sit for 10 minutes. It is about +24 hours from when I put it down yesterday in drawer. Current DU reading is better but still far off my +24 test reading. -21 to -28 s/d, Amp 162, BE 4.9. Quote:
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11 October 2024, 07:05 PM | #5346 |
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It didn’t work for me. They said all the info is on your receipt! 😝🤬
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11 October 2024, 10:36 PM | #5347 |
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Very interesting thread. I did not read through each one of the hundreds of messages, but get the gist of the issue.
Thus I am looking for some advice: I am looking to get a pre-owned 226659 (Yacht Master 42, white Gold, oysterflex strap), there are plenty out there for prices that are decent, typically around 25% below new retail price. It has the 3235 movement, which now makes me "suspicious". Any idea which production years I should avoid to have issues? For instnace, a watch produced in 2023 or 2024 would still risk to have the issue discussed in this thread? Any other tips how I could avoid finding myself with a watch that has this kind of problem? Thanks, Chris |
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12 October 2024, 03:31 AM | #5349 |
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Hi Chris and welcome to the forum and this thread.
Basically, ALL 32xx movements have the problem. It does not matter which version of the 32xx caliber it is and there still does not seem to be a "Fix" as even new watches are measured by some and older ones that have gone in for a service or repair come back behaving well for a short period of time before going "sick" again. Personally, I had quite a few 32xx equipped watches ... I have sold them all on as they were just not as they should be. I only have Rolex watches with older movements now. So , In simple terms .. I would not buy any watch with a 32xx movement.
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12 October 2024, 04:28 AM | #5350 |
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Hello, I have a beginner's question about my timegrapher.
I followed the SwissSteph settings. However, I can't identify the use of the "Gain" setting located at the top right of the screen. Is it the sensitivity of the microphone? What value should I set it to? |
12 October 2024, 07:49 AM | #5351 |
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Adding my input
Had modern GMT (2021) go bad and now my sub (2020) is losing 2+ seconds per minute. Both still under warranty. If they try to charge me for repairs after warranty I will contemplate organizing a class action lawsuit. Any one have experience with having this fixed post warranty?
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12 October 2024, 08:56 AM | #5352 | |
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Nonsense. Rolex will not "try" but certainly will charge you and you will have to pay. I'd love to read more about this if you ever file a class action lawsuit. |
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12 October 2024, 09:48 AM | #5353 | |
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I appreciate all of the advice received here and certainly appreciate the use of a timeographer. It will come back, I will measure and I am sure it will run fantastically for a while. And some point I will decide whether I want an old kermit or keep the new one. |
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12 October 2024, 11:09 AM | #5354 |
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Yes. Completely broken. Likely an under estimate.
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12 October 2024, 01:12 PM | #5355 | |
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I wouldn't touch a 32xx movement. One of the main reasons I wanted a Rolex was reliability. My 31xx sub is still +~2 spd 5+ years after service. It would drive me nuts if my expensive watch kept shit time. I don't know that a Class action lawsuit would go anywhere. Rolex isn't in the USA even. And luxury watches are unlikely to garner the sympathy of... anyone. Except maybe regarding their +2-2 claims. But luxury cars are notoriously awful after warranty and nothing happens there. NO ONE wants a used Bentley. |
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12 October 2024, 09:03 PM | #5356 |
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Good luck with a lawsuit against Rolex.
They are well known to be one of the best protected companies the world. They are fierce about protecting themselves. They have an unlimited budget .... Do you ? Whilst you may feel that you want to go down that route you can be sure that Rolex will just chew you up and spit you out.
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Rolex will mop the floor with you, I wouldn't even bother. |
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13 October 2024, 02:51 AM | #5358 |
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Where do I apply ?
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13 October 2024, 12:41 PM | #5361 |
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I’m a biglaw class action litigator. If they are concealing a known defect to cause us to have to pay for frequent service it’s arguably fraud. I could do the case myself if I had the time (but I don’t so, ultimately, yes just another an American threatening a lawsuit). That said I would consider trying to find an interested plaintiffs firm. Rolex can easily be sued in the US.
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A five year warranty over an advertised 10 year service interval is the problem. Repeated service for the same watch within the warranty period would (arguably) fall within California’s lemon law for automobiles.
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This. They are telling you it’s a 10 year service interval knowing it is not. I would have to do some research to find the best state to bring the lawsuit in.
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14 October 2024, 02:46 AM | #5365 |
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Well... Rolex is already in violation of the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act by stating that service and repairs outside of a RSC will invalidate the warranty. And might be in violation of right to repair laws by not supplying parts. And it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.
The Song-Beverly Consumer Warranty Act pertains to any consumer product sold within California as long as it was sold with a warranty. So that might make CA a good choice since no one loves a lawsuit like California! |
14 October 2024, 02:47 AM | #5366 | |
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15 October 2024, 08:38 AM | #5367 |
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Hi all, I previously posted my 3230 movement explorer and the stats from weishi 1900 timegrapher. In the past 2 months, i noticed that the average rate has decreased by about -1 sec/d. Still within rolex spec, but different than what it was originally at time of purchase. The amplitude is still fine - well over 200 after 24 hrs. Has anyone experienced this before? Rate change (in the negative direction) after a few months of owning their watch?
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15 October 2024, 09:17 PM | #5368 | |
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16 October 2024, 04:59 AM | #5369 | |
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I think that this -1 sec/day variation could be within the margin of error for a timegrapher like the 1900 (no offense intended—I own one, and for the purposes discussed in this thread, it's fine). However, you should monitor your watch from now on to see if there is indeed a degradation trend. Regards |
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16 October 2024, 06:36 AM | #5370 |
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Hello,
I finished my measurements today with the Weischi 1900 on my datejust 126200 with a 3235 movement. The measurements were made over 71 hours. I intended to go until the watch stopped, but I was surprised that it was still running now after almost 75 hours of operation ( edit: it just stopped after 75 hours 15 minutes of service.). The only movements made with the watch were the rotation of the mechanism to turn the watch. It then waited in the DU position between two measurements every 12 hours, then more closely after 60 hours. This gave 9 measurements in all. I am still too young on this forum to be able to share the image of all my measurements. But if someone wants me to send them the image of my measurements to share them, I would be happy to. I would also like to have your opinion on the results. |
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