Mercedes hands on Tudor BB58

[RampageWatch]

Keep the snowflakes for sure. I dont understand the negativity towards them. I think they look great and are a truly ifentifiable part of the watch and the tudor brand....


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[breitlings]

Well one reason to swap is Rolex hands are gold. Tudors are not solid gold.

[johnjm]

I think one should rather buy a Rolex, or Tudor sub in the first place if they wanted Mercedes hands.

It’s like putting a AMG badge on your A180. It’s not the same


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[breitlings]

People swap for amg wheels and parts without using a badge. Putting a rolex dial on i agree.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Hampshirescott

Found it. He even changed the crown. Lume doesn’t match but I assume the blue would be easier as it’s white.


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I like the crown, hate the hand swap. I love my BB58. The only thing I’ve done is having an ez link added, which hopefully will be done in the next few weeks. Outside of that, it’s just about perfect. It’s cheaper than a 14060, and fits a hole in my collection. I think the hands are great.


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[HiBoost]

Forgive my Tudor ignorance, but if the whole idea of the BB58 series is to throw back to the vintage models (I'm presuming that's "58" as in "1958") then how is it sacrilege to swap on the Mercedes hands? From what I've read, the snowflakes didn't appear until 1969 and prior to that (for example in 1958) the Tudors had Mercedes hands from the factory. Is that not true?

Also, the pics I see of vintage Tudor watches with snowflake hands also have square markers to match the hands. Whereas the Mercedes hands models had the round markers. So if anything the BB58 dial seems more appropriate to pair with the Mercedes hands. Again, just from what I've seen, I'm probably missing all kinds of things...

ref: https://www.rescapement.com/blog/tud...-brief-history

[espanol]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

Forgive my Tudor ignorance, but if the whole idea of the BB58 series is to throw back to the vintage models (I'm presuming that's "58" as in "1958") then how is it sacrilege to swap on the Mercedes hands? From what I've read, the snowflakes didn't appear until 1969 and prior to that (for example in 1958) the Tudors had Mercedes hands from the factory. Is that not true?

Also, the pics I see of vintage Tudor watches with snowflake hands also have square markers to match the hands. Whereas the Mercedes hands models had the round markers. So if anything the BB58 dial seems more appropriate to pair with the Mercedes hands. Again, just from what I've seen, I'm probably missing all kinds of things...

ref: https://www.rescapement.com/blog/tud...-brief-history

The BB58 appears to be a direct reboot of the very rare Tudor 94010 “Hybrid.” Eric Wind sold one, and did a great bit on it:
https://www.windvintage.com/tudor-black-snowflake-1

Circular markers, snowflake hour hand, no date, meters first, Tudor shield, pronounced crystal, similarities go on and on...

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by espanol

The BB58 appears to be a direct reboot of the very rare Tudor 94010 “Hybrid.” Eric Wind sold one, and did a great bit on it:
https://www.windvintage.com/tudor-black-snowflake-1

Circular markers, snowflake hour hand, no date, meters first, Tudor shield, pronounced crystal, similarities go on and on...

Thanks!

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[breitlings]

hiboost's point is valid though. Some tudor subs had snowflake & mercedes hands. The BB has no crown guards and those, Reference 7923 and 7924, had mercedes hands; 94010 has crown guards. Rolex / Tudor themselves made black bays with mercedes hands.

[Thomas.E.Magnum]

Originally Posted by Lew Archer

A winning argument. I've never owned a Tudor...but, I am considering, at some point, the Black Bay 58 in blue. I can't think of a reason in the world to buy it--I have a perfectly fine old school Submariner...but it's simply a handsome watch with its own distinct characteristics. So, were I to buy one, I'd leave it as is. I'd likely get it on the bracelet and look to procure either the Nato or the "soft touch" strap.

So you advocate for leaving things as is, while contemplating a strap swap? :)

I don't have a Tudor precisely because of the 'square on a stick' hands, and found this thread because I was wondering if it was an easy swap myself.

It's just like putting an LS6 in an E36. Why not, it's awesome.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

The anesthetic of the latest design would look unbalanced.

...and may cause drowsiness

[RampageWatch]

Originally Posted by Tikandtokalot

Seriously bad idea.
Wrong in so many ways but it's your money.

^agree


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[Mick Z]

It is what it is. If you want Mercedes hands, buy a Sub.

[214270Explorer]

I agree with Harry (post #2). It would probably not look right at all with the wide indices.
But is is your watch and your choice.

[NachoNeal]

Originally Posted by Mick Z

It is what it is. If you want Mercedes hands, buy a Sub.

Or if just opposed to the snowflake hands just buy a tudor ranger or tudor north flag.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Agreed, love the rivet bracelet.

As for Tudor's use of snowflake handsets, the design has historical significance w/ the brand, holds lots of lume, and makes it easily identifiable. A winning combo, IMHO.
dP

Right on the money!

[HogwldFLTR]

I'd say "no." Now if they started producing them that way I'd be all for it but no sense trying to turn it into something it isn't. I think the effort and expense would be wasted.

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

I like the crown, hate the hand swap. I love my BB58. The only thing I’ve done is having an ez link added, which hopefully will be done in the next few weeks. Outside of that, it’s just about perfect. It’s cheaper than a 14060, and fits a hole in my collection. I think the hands are great.


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Dimensionally or design-wise it doesn't seem quite right. But not sure what is off...

[fskywalker]

I’m mod friendly so would give it a try!


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[doramas]

Originally Posted by breitlings

Well one reason to swap is Rolex hands are gold. Tudors are not solid gold.

I don't understand why you want a diver that doesn't have Mercedes hands to put them on when there is already a diver that has them originally.
If you want a diver with Mercedes hands, buy a 14060. Anything else is a waste of a fantastic watch like the BB58.

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by Dontknow

I like it overall, I just wish Tudor had something that wasn’t snowflake hands, but not exactly Mercedes hands either. I still feel Ike they’re an improvement. I wish they had something that kinda keeps the Tudor vintage inspired originality, but not a big square on a stick to use for pointing.

Didn't Tudor previously use those hands?

Not crazy about the snowflake hands either, but they are somewhat practical as they make it easy to differentiate the hour hand.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by b4d4bing

So I’ve done a bit of research and it turns out the pinion size for the black bay 58 is the same as for the 3135 Rolex movement. I have the blue 58 and was considering getting a set of Rolex Mercedes hands from a sub and have them swapped over. Easy to change in the future. I think it would look ace. What’s the dial size of a sub versus the BB58. Want the hands to be the correct length.

Thoughts?

Did you did it ?

[jets]

I want to like Tudor, the hands look so 8-bit to me. I’d swap the Rolex hands no problem. Tudor used those hands in the past anyway.


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[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by jets

I want to like Tudor, the hands look so 8-bit to me. I’d swap the Rolex hands no problem. Tudor used those hands in the past anyway.


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If that was the criteria, then the snowflake hands are appropriate as well.

Having owned a vintage blue snowflake sub, I think Tudor was [is] smart to make the snowflake handset a modern iconic design element.
dP

[jets]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

If that was the criteria, then the snowflake hands are appropriate as well.

Having owned a vintage blue snowflake sub, I think Tudor was [is] smart to make the snowflake handset a modern iconic design element.
dP

I agree. I find the execution missed the mark though, that snowflake hand looks like it’s too bold and o think it would look better if it wasn’t so huge.


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[2loaded]

the snowflake works well with the non-chrono movements.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by jets

I agree. I find the execution missed the mark though, that snowflake hand looks like it’s too bold and o think it would look better if it wasn’t so huge.


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The snowflake handsets are slimmed down on the BB GMT and BB chronographs [I believe]. The thicker handsets are used on the BB divers and Pelagos, which is appropriate for both, IMHO.
dP

[Krash]

I wouldn't do that. It would look fake.

Mercedes hands on a Sub look great. Snowflake hands on BB58 look great. That's the way it should be.

[Nikrnic]

I've seen it done on a Heritage BB41 ETA and it looked good.

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[Stan Cooper]

I have no problem with modifications if they're easily reversible, and that includes the use of aftermarket parts like bezel inserts and display case backs. Personally, I find the snowflake hands cheap looking compared to Mercedes hands and would do the swap in a heartbeat if I had a BB58.