Cubitus is an extremely disappointing step for Patek.

[DoricSpiker]

Not sure I hate it either but I get the issue here. They want to diversify then bring out a different shaped version of the nautilus!


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[MILGAUSS88]

I think their plan here was to make as substitute for the steel Nautilus that is a lot less attractive, so there would not be as much demand.

[Vasco]

The deception is understandable but let me add a few thoughts I posted on the other thread...


First, I'm not a fan of the Cubitus. I loved the Nautilus and my shaped tastes over the years are "troubled" by this change. However, there are a lot of examples showing that aesthetics is not absolute but relative and evolves over time (same with car lines, headlights/talelights, rim diameters or with 1990's large clothes vs 2010's slimmer ones or rounder 1990's office men shoes vs 2000's "pointed" ones later on, etc...). So who knows in the future what we'll all feel like. The Nautilus in 1976 was badly welcome and the Aquanaut wasn't successful in the early and mid 2010's.

They've just made a Square-shaped Nautilus. Like a Santos or other square models, they felt it's a trend to engage in. At least as a diversification. The size seems far too huge for me.

I agree I was searching for the delight of being surprised by something excitingly new. If we don't like it, just let's not buy it.

The price in these luxury fields doesn't depend on what "seems" normal. They are already out of proportion since many years. By the way we should more consider the MSRP minus the "out of the shop" loss than the MSRP alone. The net loss is more interesting to assess. That usually makes Patek more "interesting", financially wise (and explains why so many are keen on Patek versus other similar level brands I won't name). A 80k watch with 10K loss or a 60K watch with a 15k loss?

Furthermore, I had a look at the Presskit about the 5822. It's not a standard model. Here is what I found:

- Most of watches get a normal (long) date disk change (I don't remember the word, when it's not "instantaneous"). Brands don't care about instantaneous jumps. Not profitable on a marketing level, too bothersome to set to be worth it.

The 5822P is equipped with an instantaneous jump (like expensive Pateks or the 5200 Gondolo for the date iirc), this is not any kind of improvement: not only for one element but for both date disks, the day and the moonphase which is a technical rarity. This doesn't happen on below 100K Pateks.

That's the result of what they had in the 5207/5208 and started implement in the 5236QP => Energy consumption savings. Adding elements, adds friction and brings bad consequences for wear and accuracy. They are the only ones to work that deep on this matter together with time keeping (tourbillon level with the 26-330). Even though it doesn't show-off. Juste like the spiromax V.2 included in the 5650G for the first time before being introduced in all the 26-330 (which replaces the 324).

They prefer a shorter power reserve with better accuracy on the whole curve and smaller spring barrels than the double with much lower performance in the last quarter and bigger barrels.

- Coplanar disks for the double date which allows thinner movement (thus case). Indeed the Lange big date for instance is thicker because both disks aren't on the same level. This is from the 5236P as well, together with its anti double jump system (more details here https://www.hightime-reviews.com/pat...-and-pictures/ ).

And it seems that we can now correct the date elements at any time of the day (even inside the DeathZone during which the date switch is engaged).

These are practical elements, that improve the watch for an everyday life and that remain below radar.

The presskit says it adds only 0.77mm to the caliber. Room management is why Patek is different as well from other brands.

I understand the deception regarding aesthetics but let's not rush. Patek, technically hasn't become what they are by accident.

Just sharing the additional infos I found.

Edit: I've just seen the video after I wrote this. It looks very thin (though too large for my wrist) and rather very elegant? I understand why he said last year that he had an issue with the Pt diamond at 6 o'clock for a new watch they were working on.

[enjoythemusic]

A great name for the series would have been Nautilus²

[77T]

This goes beyond hubris at one level...

If accurate, we hear a PP stated goal to not be defined by a successful model, which if my maths are correct would take 597 years at current production levels to satisfy 2% of demand for a Nautilus. (Kidding)

That would be akin to Rolex killing the DJ and Sub because people want to buy them.

????...

Tosser


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[MichelleP]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Easy solution, Cartier is ~40mm and there are gold/ss versions. As a true sports watch, i believe waterproof rating is 100m.

https://www.cartier.com/en-us/watche...os-de-cartier/


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I will take the Santos any day over the Cubitus. The Patek looks more like a Bell & Ross IMO

[boa2]

Originally Posted by DoricSpiker

Not sure I hate it either but I get the issue here. They want to diversify then bring out a different shaped version of the nautilus!


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So they put it in a tortilla press?

It'll be interesting to see in person.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by MichelleP

....more like a Bell & Ross IMO

Great brand, super solid. imho every very diverse collection should have one. Especially if you're an aviator, a fan of air travel, and yes vintage / retro MIL style.

jmho

old pic, still have the Omega tank, vintage ultra-thin PP, and B&R.

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[yessir69]

At least the AP Codes were something different. Disappointing.

[RolexEDC]

They are appealing to Apple Watch users.

[MichelleP]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Great brand, super solid. imho every very diverse collection should have one. Especially if you're an aviator, a fan of air travel, and yes vintage / retro MIL style.

jmho

old pic, still have the Omega tank, vintage ultra-thin PP, and B&R.

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I have no problem with B&R but would you pay over $40k for one? Cubitus starts at $41k for a steel watch

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by MichelleP

I have no problem with B&R but would you pay over $40k for one? Cubitus starts at $41k for a steel watch

$40k for a Panerai, or B&R, or.... roflololololololololol

That's a no.

i will pay $25k-ish for the below, soon i hope. Oh, and the square shape is pretty unique. No real branding, not really needed.Almost like no words are needed. Just a pic of the front and back, and side. No need to explain, it is in and of itself a thing of beauty and elegance imho.

Less is more and all that.

EXCEPT when it comes to offering many color rubber / leather/ etc bands and please include a proper bracelet. Yes, more band choices.

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[RichardBartlett]

I wonder if the issue isn't the watch itself, rather the disappointment that PP took the easy way out and people feel let down and even 'betrayed' by the lack of originality

If the cube was the first and the Nautilus was the just released Somehow I suspect people would be saying exactly the same stuff..

[kaiserphoenix]

Originally Posted by RichardBartlett

I wonder if the issue isn't the watch itself, rather the disappointment that PP took the easy way out and people feel let down and even 'betrayed' by the lack of originality

If the cube was the first and the Nautilus was the just released Somehow I suspect people would be saying exactly the same stuff..

Good point, i like the 5822 for example but to your point dissapointed that THIS was the new line...Just doesnt scream anything at me.

[John Doyle]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

$40k for a Panerai, or B&R, or.... roflololololololololol

That's a no.

i will pay $25k-ish for the below, soon i hope. Oh, and the square shape is pretty unique. No real branding, not really needed.Almost like no words are needed. Just a pic of the front and back, and side. No need to explain, it is in and of itself a thing of beauty and elegance imho.

Less is more and all that.

EXCEPT when it comes to offering many color rubber / leather/ etc bands and please include a proper bracelet. Yes, more band choices.

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Lovely Porsche Design watch! Ah no wait it's a Moser...

[horseco]

Within 36 months these will be steeply discounted in the secondary market IMO.

[corky]

Just to pile on with my thoughts…….

In the short term, it seems a lazy design, filler, they’ve cut some corners(ha ha) they'd garner more respect if the movement had been square.

In the long term, square watches have never been that popular……. I can see some wanting one to pad out a collection.

Full disclosure, I am one of PS’ ‘Haters’

[Calatrava r]

It is curious to me that PP did not design a larger squarer movement to fit the case better for such a momentous release. They actually did that with the 5124 and that watch to me really stands out as a result.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by horseco

Within 36 months these will be steeply discounted in the secondary market IMO.

No chance on the SS version. It will never be available from ADs without years of huge spending. Supply is just so limited compared to demand. A few here and there for a market of a several thousand takers.

[~JJ]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

No chance on the SS version. It will never be available from ADs without years of huge spending. Supply is just so limited compared to demand. A few here and there for a market of a several thousand takers.

But it’s made for the kids,

[ts3]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

No chance on the SS version. It will never be available from ADs without years of huge spending. Supply is just so limited compared to demand. A few here and there for a market of a several thousand takers.

The SS Cubitus reminds me of 5905/1A green as another oversized green steel Patek on a bracelet. That one was pretty hot after the launch. Not anymore though. It has quickly dropped from 2-3x MSRP to below MSRP. A counter example could be 5711/1A green which has lost much of its initial market value but is still trading at many times MSRP. But that one was very limited production and quickly discontinued, so not really a good comp at all.

The SS Cubitus will certainly be hard to get while they work through the initial demand backlog but I am less sure about the long term. In the end it depends on whether the watch can establish itself as a viable (or possibly even better / more modern) Nautilus alternative or not.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by John Doyle

Lovely Porsche Design watch! Ah no wait it's a Moser...

You're right, looks like the old Porsche design. But with some serious updates and fun 'updated' movement. Rare, very very rare as compared to Patek Philippe. Plus the H. Moser does have a 120m waterproof rating.

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[ap1]

Marky mark has one. It’s now a 300k watch lol

[edyu]

Originally Posted by Gelateria

Completely agree. Patek milked the discontinuation of 5711 with a green dial, then milked it once more with a Tiffany dial, then milk it even more with the 5811, and now this. They said they want to move out of nautilus, what a load of bullcrap.



I disliked AP being a one watch brand but at least they're honest and they take real risks. 1159 is absolutely hideous but at least it's massively different. When 1159 failed to be a hype they are honest about what it is now which is essentially ransom for a RO, you will get a RO if you pay up for a 1159 unlike the bullshit you have to go through with patek itself and their ADs.



Patek pretends to have morals but in fact is the most corrupted, and the cubitus is just a continuation of this. Hopefully this is a fake then I can at least take back like 20% of criticism here but damn

Wow I'm agreeing with you. When I first read about TS wanting to get away from nautilus I thought he was gutsy and had foresight with a lot of respect for him but seeing all the special editions I quickly lost my respect.

[Champagnepapi]

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[Trogster]

A couple of hours in the machine shop and she's good to go!

[MRBolton]

Originally Posted by 77T

This goes beyond hubris at one level...

If accurate, we hear a PP stated goal to not be defined by a successful model, which if my maths are correct would take 597 years at current production levels to satisfy 2% of demand for a Nautilus. (Kidding)

That would be akin to Rolex killing the DJ and Sub because people want to buy them.

????...

Tosser

Agree 100%. Discontinuation of the most popular watch they've ever made makes 0 sense to me.

[horseco]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

No chance on the SS version. It will never be available from ADs without years of huge spending. Supply is just so limited compared to demand. A few here and there for a market of a several thousand takers.

This will be the one they make you take, to get on a "list" to buy what you actually want IMO

[JR16]

Originally Posted by horseco

This will be the one they make you take, to get on a "list" to buy what you actually want IMO

I have the opposite opinion- I think they will restrict production to help make it more desirable and will continue the game of buying a calatrava or complication before being eligible for cubitus. Outside of this forum I bet a lot of people with cash who can’t get a nautilus will want this … but they will need to pay to play. Full disclosure, I think the cubitus is a diaster aesthetically and technically.


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[~JJ]

Originally Posted by Trogster

A couple of hours in the machine shop and she's good to go!

Much better, but still needs work… the corners need to be congruent with a step. Currently there’s two different shaped radius between the mid case and bezel which throws off the overall design. By reducing or eliminating the crown guards + fixing corners + adding a properly sized and shaped caliber will go a long ways to creating a solid platform. Just an opinion from a hater