Help me decide...

[Bartolo]

Originally Posted by sjcapp

Lot's of love for the Daytona. White or blue are both great - but, without a doubt, I'd take the blue dial model as the top pick of the two. Price isn't insane in my mind considering what you get, though I'd prefer to snag one for closer to $35k than $45k.

As for the DJ/OP, the blue models are definite classics. But I wouldn't mind going in a little less plain direction (my two PPs, while wonderful, are pretty subdued).

I was going to recommend a blue dial SS DJ, Jubilee/fluted. I bought one about a year ago and it's a super wearable piece. And just a little more bling on your wrist. Price is much more reasonable....and it's really just lovely IMHO.

[Bartolo]

Originally Posted by sjcapp

Oh for sure, no need for whatever I get to be brand-spanking new.

As for the 5-digit Sub, if they made one with a blue dial I'd be in (but don't think they did outside of the TT Bluesy).

How about a nice 16710 Pepsi? One with a nice sharp case and a BRIGHT bezel. CLASSIC

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by WatchTimes

Personally with what you have Id go SS so I have somewhat of a beater in the collection.
Sub. GMT or Daytona. Whichever sings to you...

Agee with this, though I wouldn’t call an6 Rolex a beater. They are,however, very robust, and will withstand a little abuse. Get a SS Submariner, or a SS GMT. Can’t go wrong with a black Sub, or a Pepsi.
An Oyster bracelet will show less wear than a Jubilee, if you choose a GMT.

Kat


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[lencap]

Some very good suggestions have been offered. One thing I'd consider in your shoes is case dimensions and weight. The Calatrava is 37x9 mm; the Aquanaut is 38x8. PP watches are very lightweight and balance easily.

Compared to PP the Rolex models have a different design emphasis - "daily wear" and "longevity". The cases are thicker than PP. Getting a metal bracelet that works for you would be my first priority. The Jubilee and Oyster are both great options, but fit and feel differently from each other on the wrist. Trying them out before deciding may be helpful.

Your PP straps allow for a comfortable fit as the wrist swells or shrinks a bit. I've found that having any metal bracelet that doesn't provide easy adjustment without tools led to me eventually sell the watch. The Rolex cases may balance a bit differently on the wrist. That makes the bracelet fit even more important, at least to me.

You may also want to consider a 36mm case size to complement the weight/feel of your current watches. It's a very versatile size, and for daily wear is lightweight. The newer Rolex bracelets with Easy Link adjustment may add to wearability, and with a sub 7" wrist the 36mm Rolex case may be ideal given your preference for smaller case sizes/weight.

Many SS Rolex models have the "cyclops" date window which helps legibility, but some don't like the effect/style. The "tool" watches can be had without that feature, something else to consider.

Personally I added a 41mm Datejust to my 1981 36mm TT DJ with Jubilee bracelet. I went with a Oysterflex bracelet (adjustability and fit worked well), pure white stick marker dial, and smooth bezel. A simple functional watch, highly accurate, understated and usable anywhere/anytime dressed up/down with great bracelet fit/adjustment. On the other hand it had more weight than the vintage watch that I already have, and frankly took a bit of time to adjust to the difference. You may find the same difference compared to your PP watches. Rolex has several dial/bracelet options, which should help you find a combination that works for you.

You'll likely have some tradeoffs to consider regardless of what you decide, but it's a nice "problem" to have.

[Dr.Stu]

I wouldn't overlook the platinum bezel/rhodium dial/ steel YM. Wears somewhere between a Sub & Daytona (perfectly on my 6.5" (16.5 cm) wrist & has a very upscale feel to it. Love wearing it when everyone else in the office is wearing a Sub or Daytona.
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[1William]

Have your pick of five digit Rolex watches on a bracelet. I would go Submariner-ND

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by Dr.Stu

I wouldn't overlook the platinum bezel/rhodium dial/ steel YM. Wears somewhere between a Sub & Daytona (perfectly on my 6.5" (16.5 cm) wrist & has a very upscale feel to it. Love wearing it when everyone else in the office is wearing a Sub or Daytona.
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In writing my initial post, I forgot to include the blue YM40 in the mix of watches that "speak to me." Like I said, I'm in a pickle haha.

But to your point, it is the uncommon choice in a world full of 16610's.

No problems with the platinum bezel getting more beat up as compared to SS or turning funky colors over time? Another line of complaints/arguments I've seen floating around TRF, over which folks have conflicting views.

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by lencap

Some very good suggestions have been offered. One thing I'd consider in your shoes is case dimensions and weight. The Calatrava is 37x9 mm; the Aquanaut is 38x8. PP watches are very lightweight and balance easily.

Compared to PP the Rolex models have a different design emphasis - "daily wear" and "longevity". The cases are thicker than PP. Getting a metal bracelet that works for you would be my first priority. The Jubilee and Oyster are both great options, but fit and feel differently from each other on the wrist. Trying them out before deciding may be helpful.

Your PP straps allow for a comfortable fit as the wrist swells or shrinks a bit. I've found that having any metal bracelet that doesn't provide easy adjustment without tools led to me eventually sell the watch. The Rolex cases may balance a bit differently on the wrist. That makes the bracelet fit even more important, at least to me.

You may also want to consider a 36mm case size to complement the weight/feel of your current watches. It's a very versatile size, and for daily wear is lightweight. The newer Rolex bracelets with Easy Link adjustment may add to wearability, and with a sub 7" wrist the 36mm Rolex case may be ideal given your preference for smaller case sizes/weight.

Many SS Rolex models have the "cyclops" date window which helps legibility, but some don't like the effect/style. The "tool" watches can be had without that feature, something else to consider.

Personally I added a 41mm Datejust to my 1981 36mm TT DJ with Jubilee bracelet. I went with a Oysterflex bracelet (adjustability and fit worked well), pure white stick marker dial, and smooth bezel. A simple functional watch, highly accurate, understated and usable anywhere/anytime dressed up/down with great bracelet fit/adjustment. On the other hand it had more weight than the vintage watch that I already have, and frankly took a bit of time to adjust to the difference. You may find the same difference compared to your PP watches. Rolex has several dial/bracelet options, which should help you find a combination that works for you.

You'll likely have some tradeoffs to consider regardless of what you decide, but it's a nice "problem" to have.

Lencap, I really appreciate the thoughtful reply. Your point about the dimensions and weight of my two PPs is well taken. I don't mind a bit more weight in whatever I get next since I've previously rocked a few 40mm Rolex SS models, but I don't want to spend the whole day noticing the heft on my arm.

While 40mm has always been my max, I am curious to get your take on the 41mm DJ. Does it wear true to size or does it feel bigger/smaller? I ask not necessarily because I am considering a 41mm DJ specifically, but rather I view it as a rough proxy for the size of the 40mm DD (which is now in the mix).

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by Bartolo

I was going to recommend a blue dial SS DJ, Jubilee/fluted. I bought one about a year ago and it's a super wearable piece. And just a little more bling on your wrist. Price is much more reasonable....and it's really just lovely IMHO.

Another vote for the blue DJ. What size did you go with? Previously owned a TT 16233 (in 36mm, obviously) but have never tried on the 41mm version. The larger version is probably too big for me, but welcome all opinions.

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

From your shortlist I would go for the WG BLRO. But it's impossible to guess for you.

Originally Posted by rmlovett1

Given your collection….I’d go blue dial GMT



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Having previously owned a 16710, I have a definite soft spot for the Pepsi GMTII. And the blue dial on the WG model... whew, big fan.

Do you find the WG GMTII wears heavy? Obviously it is all PM so there is heft, but there is a difference between noticeable weight and NOTICEABLE WEIGHT (if you catch my drift). And if you don't mind my asking, what size wrist do you have?

[rmlovett1]

Originally Posted by sjcapp

Having previously owned a 16710, I have a definite soft spot for the Pepsi GMTII. And the blue dial on the WG model... whew, big fan.

Do you find the WG GMTII wears heavy? Obviously it is all PM so there is heft, but there is a difference between noticeable weight and NOTICEABLE WEIGHT (if you catch my drift). And if you don't mind my asking, what size wrist do you have?

You notice the weight right when you put it on… But after that I never notice it throughout the day. My wrist is 6.75 inches.


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[georgew]

here is my YM on my 6.75 in wrist - fits well, classic look with a bit of color - classy.

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[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by huncho

people over-exaggerate how easily they get scratched (mostly those that don't have them). from my experience a rolex with PCLs gets beat up much easier and i work in an office so it's not like i'm doing anything crazy with my watches. i've had two tone rolexes on oyster bracelets and the links and clasp had swirls all over (within days) just from wearing long sleeve clothing, whereas my RO looks basically brand new 4 years later. there are maybe 2 or 3 scratches that are only visible with a flashlight pointed directly at the bracelet

if you're carrying something big and heavy or banging the watch on stuff accidentally then any watch will be scratched so technically you do need to worry but i guarantee a steel (with PCLs)/gold rolex with an oyster bracelet will get destroyed much worse than a RO. otherwise in normal day to day activities there isn't really anything you need to worry about with a RO that you wouldn't have to worry about with a rolex

Appreciate the feedback! Just looking at the polished surfaces on the PCL Rolexes vs. the ROs, I can see your point the former would show more wear than the latter.

Which size/model RO did you go with? I've tried on older 36mm and 39mm models and the sizing on those things is unlike anything I have else with other brands. I think I'd go with the 37mm 15450 if I went down the RO path given my wrist size, but curious to get your take.

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by georgew

here is my YM on my 6.75 in wrist - fits well, classic look with a bit of color - classy.

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A killer watch.

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by rmlovett1

You notice the weight right when you put it on… But after that I never notice it throughout the day. My wrist is 6.75 inches.


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Makes sense. And good to know you're rocking it with the same wrist size as me.

[forg]

The Daytona for me

[lencap]

SJ -

Glad you found some of my comments useful, and in reply to your question about the 41mm DJ size I thought I'd explore some other thoughts.

Your collection is all PP - the top of the watch "food chain". The brand is often considered to be the one with the most "grail" pieces in horological history, and still without peer. The watches also span a wide range of tastes from "everyday" sportiness to elegant evening wear and everything in between. You also seem to prefer smaller cased watches and with a sub 7" wrist that seems like a wise decision.

You also mention that you've owned 40mm Rolex watches in the past, but don't own that size now. So, my first question is "Why did you sell you 40mm Rolex watches in the past?" I suspect that the size/weight of the watch may be part of the reason.

If that's so, why not consider the 36mm case sized Rolex models? They are classics for a reason, and frankly would fit very well on your wrist. The lighter weight and smaller case would also be more aligned with your current collection, making it an easy transition in your watch rotation.

Another thought, along the lines of the "Holy Trinity" of watches, is to consider a 37mm Vacheron Overseas. It has a display back with gold rotor, blue face and is not very common. I have no issues with a Rolex, but since you had and sold one maybe a Vacheron would be closer in context to the PP models you have - elegant, high quality and great history, well sized and a bit different from the norm.

In terms of my recent 41mm DJ - I'd say it's a bit of a "work in progress". I bought it to fill a need/want - I'm a senior citizen, my eyesight isn't what it used to be, and the larger dial in white is easy to read in any light. It's also classic in look, but the larger case size is noticeable. It's not offensive or overly bulky, but is heavier than the smaller cased DJ. I've only owned it for a short time, and like it for many reasons. If it didn't have an Easy Link feature I don't think I would have bought it - the flexibility of easily adjusting the bracelet, and the comfort on the wrist, are the prime reasons for making it my daily wear do it all watch.

Also, and this is a personal choice, there is something elegant and special, to me, about smaller sized watches. They don't shout their presence, they ask the viewer to see them in context of balance and proportion.

Another thought - the "dive watch" bezels, although very well designed and constructed, detract from the size of the watch face, assigning more of the watch's overall size to the bezel. It's a classic look, and will always be in style (does anyone not recognize a Submariner), but the flip side is that you're wearing a larger case to accommodate the design.

Moving to a sports watch that doesn't have an outer ring design leaves more room for the face and dial to grab your attention. That's my reason for mentioning the Vacheron. Your eye tends to default to the dial color, then expands to the take in the entire look of the watch. It's also available in a smaller size. A review is here: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/va...-37mm-hands-on

The AP Royal Oak is similar in concept, executed differently, but with an integrated bracelet that is also classic.

In the end only you can decide, but the many suggestions in the thread about a 36mm DJ with fluted bezel, Jubilee bracelet and a dial color that appeals to you seems to well worth considering in the Rolex line - simple/classic/understated and lighter weight, smaller sized.

This is just my "two cents" opinion - I'm certain that whatever you choose will be a fine addition to your wonderful collection.

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by lencap

SJ -

Glad you found some of my comments useful, and in reply to your question about the 41mm DJ size I thought I'd explore some other thoughts.

Your collection is all PP - the top of the watch "food chain". The brand is often considered to be the one with the most "grail" pieces in horological history, and still without peer. The watches also span a wide range of tastes from "everyday" sportiness to elegant evening wear and everything in between. You also seem to prefer smaller cased watches and with a sub 7" wrist that seems like a wise decision.

You also mention that you've owned 40mm Rolex watches in the past, but don't own that size now. So, my first question is "Why did you sell you 40mm Rolex watches in the past?" I suspect that the size/weight of the watch may be part of the reason.

If that's so, why not consider the 36mm case sized Rolex models? They are classics for a reason, and frankly would fit very well on your wrist. The lighter weight and smaller case would also be more aligned with your current collection, making it an easy transition in your watch rotation.

Another thought, along the lines of the "Holy Trinity" of watches, is to consider a 37mm Vacheron Overseas. It has a display back with gold rotor, blue face and is not very common. I have no issues with a Rolex, but since you had and sold one maybe a Vacheron would be closer in context to the PP models you have - elegant, high quality and great history, well sized and a bit different from the norm.

In terms of my recent 41mm DJ - I'd say it's a bit of a "work in progress". I bought it to fill a need/want - I'm a senior citizen, my eyesight isn't what it used to be, and the larger dial in white is easy to read in any light. It's also classic in look, but the larger case size is noticeable. It's not offensive or overly bulky, but is heavier than the smaller cased DJ. I've only owned it for a short time, and like it for many reasons. If it didn't have an Easy Link feature I don't think I would have bought it - the flexibility of easily adjusting the bracelet, and the comfort on the wrist, are the prime reasons for making it my daily wear do it all watch.

Also, and this is a personal choice, there is something elegant and special, to me, about smaller sized watches. They don't shout their presence, they ask the viewer to see them in context of balance and proportion.

Another thought - the "dive watch" bezels, although very well designed and constructed, detract from the size of the watch face, assigning more of the watch's overall size to the bezel. It's a classic look, and will always be in style (does anyone not recognize a Submariner), but the flip side is that you're wearing a larger case to accommodate the design.

Moving to a sports watch that doesn't have an outer ring design leaves more room for the face and dial to grab your attention. That's my reason for mentioning the Vacheron. Your eye tends to default to the dial color, then expands to the take in the entire look of the watch. It's also available in a smaller size. A review is here: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/va...-37mm-hands-on

The AP Royal Oak is similar in concept, executed differently, but with an integrated bracelet that is also classic.

In the end only you can decide, but the many suggestions in the thread about a 36mm DJ with fluted bezel, Jubilee bracelet and a dial color that appeals to you seems to well worth considering in the Rolex line - simple/classic/understated and lighter weight, smaller sized.

This is just my "two cents" opinion - I'm certain that whatever you choose will be a fine addition to your wonderful collection.

Appreciate all the feedback, once again.

And actually, I parted with the past 40mm Rolex models not because of size (I enjoyed them quite a bit), but rather as part of trades to get the two PPs (which I loved even more than the Rolex models). Classic trading up situation.

So, within the 36-40mm bounds I outlined, size/weight isn't too much of an issue (or at least it wasn't what drove me to get the two PPs). On the size point, I appreciate the VC Overseas 37mm recommendation. I didn't realize there was a newer version (2300v) that had been made. A quick look around suggests those are hard to come by sans diamonds.

[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by TheHulk

I had some similar thought a few months ago as i was getting away from OF straps. I chose this and couldn’t be happier….


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I've got the same one & I can't recommend it enough. I love wearing it. Judging by the OP's current duo, the price delta between an SS Sub & the WG one wouldn't be tough to justify. If the OP is looking for specifically a SS model, a blue Milgauss or Exp1 124xxx(I forget the last three digits, but the current generation) would be fun SS pieces.

[Krash]

Yeah, with those 2 watches, I’d want something with some flash and color.

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[Chute]

Here’s another oddball suggestions since you like Patek, want something stainless and smaller: the Patek Annual Calendar 4947. These retail around. $50k but I saw one recently for $35k. That’s a lot of watch, being a stainless complication Patek on a bracelet.

[georgew]

don't know what you think of green, but here is my 12 series LV on my 6.75 in wrist - fits and wears fine - but does present a bit more "wrist presence".

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or there is the 40mm 16610LV

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[WatchTimes]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Agee with this, though I wouldn’t call an6 Rolex a beater. They are,however, very robust, and will withstand a little abuse. Get a SS Submariner, or a SS GMT. Can’t go wrong with a black Sub, or a Pepsi.
An Oyster bracelet will show less wear than a Jubilee, if you choose a GMT.

Kat


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It's a tool watch, the fact its become a status symbol has not changed their purpose and durability. I know Pilots who insist on wearing a Rolex GMT even though there are digital watches that offer more, I know Professional Divers who wear a Sub or SD in addition to their computer etc etc. Ive worn my SD or 16570 diving, working on engines and machines, in jungles, swamps, hunting, driving a race car, jumping out of a plane and lots of other stuff

[Dr.Stu]

Originally Posted by sjcapp

In writing my initial post, I forgot to include the blue YM40 in the mix of watches that "speak to me." Like I said, I'm in a pickle haha.

But to your point, it is the uncommon choice in a world full of 16610's.

No problems with the platinum bezel getting more beat up as compared to SS or turning funky colors over time? Another line of complaints/arguments I've seen floating around TRF, over which folks have conflicting views.

No problem with the platinum bezel at all. Looks as good as the day I got it. TBH, I do wear all my watches with a bit of wrist awareness, but no dents, dings, or mars so far.

Regarding your DJ36 vs 41 question- I just tried on a couple of both, and, even on my wrist (6.5"), after wearing 40mm Subs/YMs/Speedys & even Daytonas, the 36mm just visually appeared too small & the 41 I felt looked better on me. I think it depends upon whether you are going for a dressier look (fluted 36 with a "dressy" subdued dial) or sportier look (41 with (e.g.) the celebration dial.

[learningtofly]

Originally Posted by Dr.Stu

No problem with the platinum bezel at all. Looks as good as the day I got it. TBH, I do wear all my watches with a bit of wrist awareness, but no dents, dings, or mars so far.

Regarding your DJ36 vs 41 question- I just tried on a couple of both, and, even on my wrist (6.5"), after wearing 40mm Subs/YMs/Speedys & even Daytonas, the 36mm just visually appeared too small & the 41 I felt looked better on me. I think it depends upon whether you are going for a dressier look (fluted 36 with a "dressy" subdued dial) or sportier look (41 with (e.g.) the celebration dial.

Not that surprising given that the DJ41 is sub-40mm anyway.

[geoach]

get the aquanaut trust me you'll grow old with it without no regret

[WILLIWALKER]

The new 1908 in YG !!!!

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by geoach

get the aquanaut trust me you'll grow old with it without no regret

Originally Posted by WILLIWALKER

The new 1908 in YG !!!!

Haha already have the Aquanaut, but if I didn't I'd definitely be in the market for one! And no need for the 1908 (though I think it is beautiful and potentially a long-term classic) since I've already got the Calatrava.

In the hunt for a full metal piece - but appreciate you weighing in. That's why TRF is great, folks are always ready to throw in their two cents.

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by piratfisk

I've got the same one & I can't recommend it enough. I love wearing it. Judging by the OP's current duo, the price delta between an SS Sub & the WG one wouldn't be tough to justify. If the OP is looking for specifically a SS model, a blue Milgauss or Exp1 124xxx(I forget the last three digits, but the current generation) would be fun SS pieces.

Milgauss... any interesting thought. Though at some stage, I need to cull all these good recommendations into a short list haha!

[sjcapp]

Originally Posted by Krash

Yeah, with those 2 watches, I’d want something with some flash and color.

126613LB


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Have always been fond of the Bluesy. But while I love TT in practice, I have found it never really worked for me (a pop of color is great but the mixed metals, I have found, just doesn't really fit my style).