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Smy404 · 1 April 2023, 02:48 AM

You guys crack me up. I’ll have to share that comment with the mrs.
Im not a fan of PP or Venmo. Now no more wires unless I know the person.

And I’m not ruling out the RF former member. If I was in my 20/30’s I would be pretty upset. But I was more embarrassed (for 2 minutes) and then came to grips with the situation. $16k is no laughing matter. But I value my sense of peace more.
Go to sleep happy, you wake up happy.

Smy404 · 1 April 2023, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cwillis0001

Seconded. It's not easy to admit you've been had in public so my hat is off to the OP for being more concerned with the community than pride. Good man.

Thanks guys.
Time to time we need a little slap to keep us on our toes.

Madman37 · 1 April 2023, 03:02 AM

What a lowlife for stealing your money it’s because he is weak and just wants a quick buck. Nobody should be allowed to do that i hope your get your money back.

Good luck will come you again

TickTockChuck · 1 April 2023, 03:16 AM

Sorry to hear this all happened. Glad you're okay despite it all. Appreciate the reminder and other comments of how things can go wrong when selling/buying such expensive items privately. I guess some scoundrels spend their days thinking of how to rip people off for a quick buck. Best to buy face-to-face or from a brick & mortar if possible. Good luck if you decide to pursue the money back.

faz · 1 April 2023, 03:38 AM

Sorry to hear OP, please follow up with the police and keep us posted on what the outcome is, we can't let the bad guys win.

For legitimate sellers who are advertising a watch online to sell at the higher prices (say $3k-$4k or higher... I know this is a rolex forum and these prices are low for this forum, but anyway... ), the seller should be willing to get on a video call as needed, provide some linked-in or other validated profiles (perhaps both sides, buyer and seller), some type of establishing the identities and checking references before a money exchange takes place. Even then there could be issues, but at least the risk is reduced greatly.

Recaro18 · 1 April 2023, 03:51 AM

Sorry to hear OP....If the price is too good to be true, it probably is!

Everyone, remember to "Buy the Seller"!

itsjknight · 1 April 2023, 07:11 AM

Any chance you received a photo with the serial number? Report it as stolen to Rolex.

Calatrava r · 1 April 2023, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cwillis0001

This is why I don't understand how some private sellers actually have the balls to insist on wire transfers for payment. They invented things like Venmo and PayPal for a freakin' reason. I'm sorry you got taken.

Money went through fine, the seller was just not honest. A service which offers escrow would be best.

Dynamin · 1 April 2023, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smy404

$16k is no laughing matter. But I value my sense of peace more

$16K is peanuts. I've lost more on the markets in 15 minutes.

You'll be allright

Ruvv · 1 April 2023, 09:16 AM

I am sorry to hear about this OP

fskywalker · 1 April 2023, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smy404

You guys crack me up. I’ll have to share that comment with the mrs.
Im not a fan of PP or Venmo. Now no more wires unless I know the person.

And I’m not ruling out the RF former member. If I was in my 20/30’s I would be pretty upset. But I was more embarrassed (for 2 minutes) and then came to grips with the situation. $16k is no laughing matter. But I value my sense of peace more.
Go to sleep happy, you wake up happy.

Sorry to hear OP, admire your attitude towards what happened. 🙂

Cwillis0001 · 1 April 2023, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

$16K is peanuts. I've lost more on the markets in 15 minutes.

You'll be allright

Let me hold twenty bucks.

Nick M · 1 April 2023, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

$16K is peanuts. I've lost more on the markets in 15 minutes.

You'll be allright

Cool story

Dynamin · 1 April 2023, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick M

Cool story

Bro

RogerOP · 1 April 2023, 09:29 AM

Of course I’m sorry, but how technologically wise are you?

I’m hearing more and more people being scammed online for different amounts but surely you got to have more than an email chain for this??

I do BEC, and other cyber security investigations so I see this type of thing daily. There are a tonne of steps people need to do before sending money. Face to face calls, PayPal, using work emails, etc.

I would suggest people stop purchasing ANYTHING from forum users or anyone they have not met in person and can vouch for their services if you’re not taking any other precautions, as this isn’t just one user.

It’s a pattern of fraud people need to avoid, which is these faceless purchases

JRell · 1 April 2023, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

Bro

Yeah but lost in the markets many of us have. You didn’t get scammed did you? Sucks for the OP.

Dynamin · 1 April 2023, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JRell

Yeah but lost in the markets many of us have. You didn’t get scammed did you? Sucks for the OP

Give him a hug then.

He has already said it wasnt much of a loss to him

JRell · 1 April 2023, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dynamin

Give him a hug then.

He has already said it wasnt much of a loss to him

I would - no excuse for people scamming people.

Dynamin · 1 April 2023, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRell

I would - no excuse for people scamming people.

There isnt.

But OP also said he can afford a loss like this.

Not all of us are poor like you, JRell

JRell · 1 April 2023, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

There isnt.

But OP also said he can afford a loss like this.

Not all of us are poor like you, JRell

Lol ok. Can we ban this guy? Wow. Real classy.

fishingbear · 1 April 2023, 09:41 AM

Back in 2015 I had somebody use my handle on the forum to try to scam somebody stating that I had a Sub for sale and they PMed to me on TRF and we got it stopped. Always always always be extra careful and know who you were dealing with. Hope you get your funds back.

LateLearner · 1 April 2023, 09:55 AM

Something about this story isn’t right. The OP apparently knows a great deal more (than I do) how scammers steal. But, is “at peace” being a victim.
Scratching my head on this one…

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tike71 · 1 April 2023, 10:00 AM

Just another one of those threads where due diligence is done AFTER the money is sent.

omar10213245 · 7 April 2023, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Smy404

Lol. Yeah not wanting to add stress. If I found the scammer and got face to face, there might be some fowl language thrown but then again what does that do. I think this members account was removed. I just hope (if this member was not in on the scam) finds out why his account was deleted.

damn. i feel your pain, i can assure you, very sorry to hear about this.

omar10213245 · 7 April 2023, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

$16K is peanuts. I've lost more on the markets in 15 minutes.

You'll be allright

you are one impressive badass

*end saracasm*

wesdaniel · 7 April 2023, 04:59 AM

Not saying that this is what happened here, but, we wire money overseas pretty regularly for personal/family purposes. One of the countries we wire to is Nigeria (brother in law lives there). We've wired to his bank in Nigeria probably 12 times. One time, we sent the wire as usual and it was deducted from our account right away, but didn't show up in his account.

It took over a month to get it resolved and, in the end, if I remember correctly, there was a notice or flag sitting on somebody's computer at (maybe) Chase that needed to be manually addressed. Once we tracked it to that, it was returned to us the next day.

Humble michael · 7 April 2023, 11:36 PM

Once again - simple solution! I don’t are if it is the pope , I am NOT sending cash ( a wire) to someone I don’t even know, period ! Op so sorry for your loss , but I hope all people on this forum will learn from this . Simply use AMX for payment , if seller insists I will pay extra to cover discount . If they have no merchant account use pay pal & CC - doublely protected . Even a great seller can make a mistake. I had one very reputable well known company, who sent me a $45000 timepiece , supposed to be complete .was missing a $5000 white gold back . Seller said they “would try to find it , to give them a week or so “ ! I said sure , meanwhile I will call AMX and dispute $5,000 of the charge. Magic , the seller miraculously “ found “ the missing back and overnighted it to me that day !!! Had I stupidly sent them a wire for $45 grand plus , I have no doubt I would still be waiting for the missing piece. You have got to protect yourself, just my experience & opinion. Hope this might save someone a whole lot of heartbreak. :-)

GGGMT · 8 April 2023, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

$16K is peanuts. I've lost more on the markets in 15 minutes.

You'll be allright

Well well, won’t this make OP feel better! Odd flex.

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Dynamin · 9 April 2023, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GGGMT

Well well, won’t this make OP feel better! Odd flexk

How the hell is an idiot like me not banned??
Even though I was just kidding though

messikens · 9 April 2023, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamin

How the hell is an idiot like me not banned??
Even though I was just kidding though

Honestly it's an uncalled for comment. Someone is out a five figure sum and certainly doesn't need to hear this

1 April 2023, 03:38 AM	#35
faz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Faz Location: California Watch: like'em all Posts: 4,689	Sorry to hear OP, please follow up with the police and keep us posted on what the outcome is, we can't let the bad guys win. For legitimate sellers who are advertising a watch online to sell at the higher prices (say $3k-$4k or higher... I know this is a rolex forum and these prices are low for this forum, but anyway... ), the seller should be willing to get on a video call as needed, provide some linked-in or other validated profiles (perhaps both sides, buyer and seller), some type of establishing the identities and checking references before a money exchange takes place. Even then there could be issues, but at least the risk is reduced greatly. __________________ -Faz Instagram @fazmoto

1 April 2023, 03:51 AM	#36
Recaro18 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: RiCkY Location: West Coast Watch: 16520 Posts: 12,329	Sorry to hear OP....If the price is too good to be true, it probably is! Everyone, remember to "Buy the Seller"! __________________ Passion for Mechanical Timepieces! IG: @crown_in_oyster_case ~Connecting people through my passion, one timepiece at a time~

1 April 2023, 10:00 AM	#53
tike71 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: NV Posts: 270	Just another one of those threads where due diligence is done AFTER the money is sent. __________________ 2FA Enabled

1 April 2023, 02:48 AM	#31
Smy404 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2022 Real Name: QDog Location: East Coast Watch: AP RO OS Posts: 105	You guys crack me up. I’ll have to share that comment with the mrs. Im not a fan of PP or Venmo. Now no more wires unless I know the person. And I’m not ruling out the RF former member. If I was in my 20/30’s I would be pretty upset. But I was more embarrassed (for 2 minutes) and then came to grips with the situation. $16k is no laughing matter. But I value my sense of peace more. Go to sleep happy, you wake up happy.

1 April 2023, 03:02 AM	#33
Madman37 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Uk Posts: 1,039	What a lowlife for stealing your money it’s because he is weak and just wants a quick buck. Nobody should be allowed to do that i hope your get your money back. Good luck will come you again

1 April 2023, 03:16 AM	#34
TickTockChuck "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Real Name: Chuck Location: Canada Watch: Rolex 116610LV Posts: 2,261	Sorry to hear this all happened. Glad you're okay despite it all. Appreciate the reminder and other comments of how things can go wrong when selling/buying such expensive items privately. I guess some scoundrels spend their days thinking of how to rip people off for a quick buck. Best to buy face-to-face or from a brick & mortar if possible. Good luck if you decide to pursue the money back.

1 April 2023, 07:11 AM	#37
itsjknight "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 361	Any chance you received a photo with the serial number? Report it as stolen to Rolex.

1 April 2023, 09:16 AM	#40
Ruvv Banned Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: USA Watch: 126710 Posts: 279	I am sorry to hear about this OP

1 April 2023, 09:29 AM	#45
RogerOP Banned Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: London Posts: 557	Of course I’m sorry, but how technologically wise are you? I’m hearing more and more people being scammed online for different amounts but surely you got to have more than an email chain for this?? I do BEC, and other cyber security investigations so I see this type of thing daily. There are a tonne of steps people need to do before sending money. Face to face calls, PayPal, using work emails, etc. I would suggest people stop purchasing ANYTHING from forum users or anyone they have not met in person and can vouch for their services if you’re not taking any other precautions, as this isn’t just one user. It’s a pattern of fraud people need to avoid, which is these faceless purchases

1 April 2023, 09:41 AM	#51
fishingbear 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: George Location: Alabama Watch: GMTsSubLVEx2SDDayt Posts: 4,534	Back in 2015 I had somebody use my handle on the forum to try to scam somebody stating that I had a Sub for sale and they PMed to me on TRF and we got it stopped. Always always always be extra careful and know who you were dealing with. Hope you get your funds back.

1 April 2023, 09:55 AM	#52
LateLearner "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: USA Watch: 5513, 16750, AK Posts: 280	Something about this story isn’t right. The OP apparently knows a great deal more (than I do) how scammers steal. But, is “at peace” being a victim. Scratching my head on this one… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

7 April 2023, 04:59 AM	#56
wesdaniel 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Wes Location: California Watch: Varies Posts: 1,339	Not saying that this is what happened here, but, we wire money overseas pretty regularly for personal/family purposes. One of the countries we wire to is Nigeria (brother in law lives there). We've wired to his bank in Nigeria probably 12 times. One time, we sent the wire as usual and it was deducted from our account right away, but didn't show up in his account. It took over a month to get it resolved and, in the end, if I remember correctly, there was a notice or flag sitting on somebody's computer at (maybe) Chase that needed to be manually addressed. Once we tracked it to that, it was returned to us the next day.

7 April 2023, 11:36 PM	#57
Humble michael "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: James Cline Location: san antonio Watch: 5711 white , 5990, Posts: 1,218	Once again - simple solution! I don’t are if it is the pope , I am NOT sending cash ( a wire) to someone I don’t even know, period ! Op so sorry for your loss , but I hope all people on this forum will learn from this . Simply use AMX for payment , if seller insists I will pay extra to cover discount . If they have no merchant account use pay pal & CC - doublely protected . Even a great seller can make a mistake. I had one very reputable well known company, who sent me a $45000 timepiece , supposed to be complete .was missing a $5000 white gold back . Seller said they “would try to find it , to give them a week or so “ ! I said sure , meanwhile I will call AMX and dispute $5,000 of the charge. Magic , the seller miraculously “ found “ the missing back and overnighted it to me that day !!! Had I stupidly sent them a wire for $45 grand plus , I have no doubt I would still be waiting for the missing piece. You have got to protect yourself, just my experience & opinion. Hope this might save someone a whole lot of heartbreak. :-)

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