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Etschell · 24 January 2021, 03:54 AM

i think they did a good job. of course it is not a daytona. but they did a really smart marketing effort and pushed it out nicely. the movement is very nice.

with this and the new speedmaster i am beginning to think Rolex (and Tudor) is falling behind in terms of timing of releases. even PP basically announced a new watch by DCing their 5711.

of course it won't effect Rolex and Rolex does not react but his marriage to watch fairs is a play that will end sooner than later (virtually or not).

Goin2drt · 24 January 2021, 03:57 AM

Street value of $6k vs $29k. A movement so well regarded that actually Rolex used them for a long time. Added date function. While it will never dethrone a Daytona because of hype and longevity it is a far superior watch per $. No doubt, no debate hands down better.

Flame on but you know it’s true. Can’t even compare the 2 from a value perspective.

Etschell · 24 January 2021, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Street value of $6k vs $29k. A movement so well regarded that actually Rolex used them for a long time. Added date function. While it will never dethrone a Daytona because of hype and longevity it is a far superior watch per $. No doubt, no debate hands down better.

Flame on but you know it’s true. Can’t even compare the 2 from a value perspective.

i think the new movement is probably the best. of course how will it last with the setup for the chrono hand running at a blistering speed? time will tell.

ChetBaker · 24 January 2021, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Street value of $6k vs $29k. A movement so well regarded that actually Rolex used them for a long time. Added date function. While it will never dethrone a Daytona because of hype and longevity it is a far superior watch per $. No doubt, no debate hands down better.

Flame on but you know it’s true. Can’t even compare the 2 from a value perspective.

Street wil be more like 7.5. I got a 25% off on the white on steel bracelet. I am in Europe btw.

EEpro · 24 January 2021, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChetBaker

Street wil be more like 7.5. I got a 25% off on the white on steel bracelet. I am in Europe btw.

Congrats! I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Post an incoming when it arrives

RJG · 24 January 2021, 05:42 AM

I'd get this new Zenith - but it's USD $10,00 and sold out on their website.

My local Rolex AD hasn't had one Daytona - even at typical MSRP USD $13,100 - either.

So. Meh.

Slinks away and get's a G-Shock.

Mifune · 24 January 2021, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryantto

Will it dethrone the Daytona?

it's most certainly a MUCH better timepiece... but the daytona is more than a timepiece.

Currently, Zenith is doing things right... I hope they keep on going with what they have done over the last couple years.

EEpro · 24 January 2021, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RJG

I'd get this new Zenith - but it's USD $10,00 and sold out on their website.

My local Rolex AD hasn't had one Daytona - even at typical MSRP USD $13,100 - either.

So. Meh.

Slinks away and get's a G-Shock.

The black one is in stock with free shipping. I'd have to see in person to decide. I'm leaning toward black dial at the moment but need to see how matte it is. I strongly dislike Rolex matte dials.

Benzsiam · 24 January 2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Street value of $6k vs $29k. A movement so well regarded that actually Rolex used them for a long time. Added date function. While it will never dethrone a Daytona because of hype and longevity it is a far superior watch per $. No doubt, no debate hands down better.

Flame on but you know it’s true. Can’t even compare the 2 from a value perspective.

MSRP is $10k, I doubt that you can get it for $6k anywhere in the US.

If it's really $6k, I bet it will sell like a hotcakes.

I would go for the white dial.

ap1 · 24 January 2021, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Everything is different and yet when you put it all together, it’s a Daytona homage. Sorry but anyone disputing that is trying hard to look away from the obvious.

Plus one

ap1 · 24 January 2021, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzsiam

MSRP is $10k, I doubt that you can get it for $6k anywhere in the US.

If it's really $6k, I bet it will sell like a hotcakes.

I would go for the white dial.

10k msrp. Buy at AD 8k. Sell on watchrecon when honeymoon over, 6k.

77T · 24 January 2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryantto

I like the look of the new zenith Chronomaster sport. Daytona homage?
Will it dethrone the Daytona? What do you think?

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If they can out produce Rolex then many on the Daytona wait list might get one.

On the “fit for purpose” front, they are quite different in racing.

New Zenith is better for events less than an hour and/or qualifying laps. That is, if one is fast enough to trigger the pusher properly at the beginning of a lap and at its completion. Human error could make a lap time off by as much as 2/10’s. Nice new complication using the bezel - better than a fairly useless tachymeter scale.

Daytona is better for enduro’s up to 24 hours but is worthless during qually. Simple single purpose chrono. Misses the boat on running splits.

Both are nice watches, though.

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asloper6001 · 24 January 2021, 12:44 PM

Cool watch for sure. Hype will die down soon though and daytona wont blink. Im definitely a buyer of white zenith.

Andad · 24 January 2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Love the added date. If all the dials were the same color, take my money.

And weren’t overlapping.

liu_watch · 24 January 2021, 01:33 PM

It is definitely inspired by the Daytona and trying to capitalize on the current frenzy. At the same time, it’s different enough to justify owning one if someone is looking for a modern automatic chrono. I wish the case was a bit more svelte, especially around the lugs. And the movement, while technically superb, can use some better finishing. Or cover it up. It is one of the more interestingly designed automatic caliber, showing much of the gear train. The chrono allows 1/10th second timing with an interesting bezel. Very nice...

scarlet knight · 24 January 2021, 01:34 PM

I like the Zenith. It does look like the Daytona. But I have a feeling the Zenith is obtainable.

calatravato · 24 January 2021, 01:55 PM

On paper, I think the Zenith is a more interesting watch. I think the different colored and overlapping subdials are pretty cool, but I guess that's a matter of personal preference. I like the date at 4:30, but I guess I'm used to it as I own an AP chrono. Again, personal preference in terms of placement, but I think the complication is a plus.

Also, movement wise, you have a high-beat escapement. You lose the hour subdial, but I'd rather have the 1/10 center seconds as you don't see that in a chronograph everyday.

100M water resistance without having to deal with screw-down pushers is a huge win.

I think there's enough there for this El Primero to stand on its own. Plus, it is "El Primero", meaning the first automatic chronograph movement, so there's history there too.

rlx123 · 25 January 2021, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ChetBaker

I don’t really see a battle here - simply because the Daytona is unavailable and may as well not exist at all. Rolex has put itself out of contention as a result of its silly marketing ploy and I sure as hell will not pay double retail, let alone for an arguably inferior movement.

I think this model is going to sell well. It has superior movement than Daytona. It’s iconic (no one can argue that), It’s more available, and now it looks appealing, not because it looks like the Daytona, but simply the contrast of white dial and black ceramic bezel is striking. I also like the subdials more than Daytona.

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Mifune · 25 January 2021, 02:18 AM

Ive seen some images where the chrono 1/10 second hand has a black tip... and some where it is red. can anyone confirm?

salnuaimi · 25 January 2021, 02:50 AM

If this model doesn't sell . it will only confirm people wants a Daytona cause they cant get it

Pronto0322 · 25 January 2021, 04:06 AM

I may be in the minority on this but I love the subdials very Zenith and very cool.

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Benzsiam · 26 January 2021, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ap1

10k msrp. Buy at AD 8k. Sell on watchrecon when honeymoon over, 6k.

Thanks, when the honeymoon is over, I will get one if it is down to $6k.

I have both 116500LN white dial and 116508 green dial but I still think this Zenith looks good too.

Toproll85 · 28 January 2021, 06:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sdn_Y74VpU

trippinjimmy · 28 January 2021, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pronto0322

I may be in the minority on this but I love the subdials very Zenith and very cool.

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Me too...I may be in the minority here, but I'm pretty sure I'll prefer this to the Daytona (I'll save judgement for when I see it in the metal in a few weeks).

EEpro · 28 January 2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by trippinjimmy

Me too...I may be in the minority here, but I'm pretty sure I'll prefer this to the Daytona (I'll save judgement for when I see it in the metal in a few weeks).

Same here but the thickness might be considerably more than the Daytona. Daytona is one sleek little piece.

Oxfordian · 5 February 2021, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

How to get to that let me see, the dial is different, the sub dials are different, the name on the dial is different,hour markers are different, the case is different, crono pushers and winding crown are different, markings on bezel are different, it has a date function which is different, and the bracelet is different, apart from these differences some may think they are similar to a Daytona and yes the dial is white just like many other watches..

You may have inadvertently forgotten to mention the display caseback showing off that stunning movement.

I have to say the Zenith is a great looking watch, certainly worthy of consideration as an alternative to the 3861 Speedy I have my eye on.

unknown · 5 February 2021, 06:20 AM

Picked up a black one yesterday
Probably within 2-3 weeks the white one too 😃

Triumph_1200 · 5 February 2021, 07:48 AM

I ordered the white dial. Wanted it the minute I saw it. I get that some see the Daytona homage, but I’ve never had any interest in the Rolex regardless of the price. For me, the zenith is the better looking and more interesting piece. I just hope the bracelet is ballpark with the oyster. Can’t go wrong with either.

Reelandy · 7 February 2021, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Triumph_1200

I ordered the white dial. Wanted it the minute I saw it. I get that some see the Daytona homage, but I’ve never had any interest in the Rolex regardless of the price. For me, the zenith is the better looking and more interesting piece. I just hope the bracelet is ballpark with the oyster. Can’t go wrong with either.

I totally agree with you. I ordered the white dial on the blue strap last week. Can’t wait for it to be delivered.

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Fort Rolex · 7 February 2021, 08:14 AM

I want to love it but I’ve now seen several videos where the 1/10 hand jumps back when the pusher is actioned.

24 January 2021, 03:54 AM	#31
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	i think they did a good job. of course it is not a daytona. but they did a really smart marketing effort and pushed it out nicely. the movement is very nice. with this and the new speedmaster i am beginning to think Rolex (and Tudor) is falling behind in terms of timing of releases. even PP basically announced a new watch by DCing their 5711. of course it won't effect Rolex and Rolex does not react but his marriage to watch fairs is a play that will end sooner than later (virtually or not). __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

24 January 2021, 01:55 PM	#47
calatravato "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Real Name: Tony Location: New York Watch: PP 5711/1a-011 Posts: 478	On paper, I think the Zenith is a more interesting watch. I think the different colored and overlapping subdials are pretty cool, but I guess that's a matter of personal preference. I like the date at 4:30, but I guess I'm used to it as I own an AP chrono. Again, personal preference in terms of placement, but I think the complication is a plus. Also, movement wise, you have a high-beat escapement. You lose the hour subdial, but I'd rather have the 1/10 center seconds as you don't see that in a chronograph everyday. 100M water resistance without having to deal with screw-down pushers is a huge win. I think there's enough there for this El Primero to stand on its own. Plus, it is "El Primero", meaning the first automatic chronograph movement, so there's history there too. __________________ Instagram: @thewatchdawg

28 January 2021, 06:52 AM	#53
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5 February 2021, 06:20 AM	#57
unknown "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 2,854	Picked up a black one yesterday Probably within 2-3 weeks the white one too 😃 __________________ Instagram : @collectible_watches

24 January 2021, 03:57 AM	#32
Goin2drt Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,307	Street value of $6k vs $29k. A movement so well regarded that actually Rolex used them for a long time. Added date function. While it will never dethrone a Daytona because of hype and longevity it is a far superior watch per $. No doubt, no debate hands down better. Flame on but you know it’s true. Can’t even compare the 2 from a value perspective.

24 January 2021, 05:42 AM	#36
RJG "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Real Name: Jim Location: Seattle Watch: 116610LN Posts: 404	I'd get this new Zenith - but it's USD $10,00 and sold out on their website. My local Rolex AD hasn't had one Daytona - even at typical MSRP USD $13,100 - either. So. Meh. Slinks away and get's a G-Shock.

24 January 2021, 12:44 PM	#43
asloper6001 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: West Coast Posts: 1,344	Cool watch for sure. Hype will die down soon though and daytona wont blink. Im definitely a buyer of white zenith.

24 January 2021, 01:33 PM	#45
liu_watch "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FL Posts: 667	It is definitely inspired by the Daytona and trying to capitalize on the current frenzy. At the same time, it’s different enough to justify owning one if someone is looking for a modern automatic chrono. I wish the case was a bit more svelte, especially around the lugs. And the movement, while technically superb, can use some better finishing. Or cover it up. It is one of the more interestingly designed automatic caliber, showing much of the gear train. The chrono allows 1/10th second timing with an interesting bezel. Very nice...

24 January 2021, 01:34 PM	#46
scarlet knight "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Watch: Good ones Posts: 8,433	I like the Zenith. It does look like the Daytona. But I have a feeling the Zenith is obtainable.

25 January 2021, 02:18 AM	#49
Mifune Banned Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: here AND there... Posts: 2,240	Ive seen some images where the chrono 1/10 second hand has a black tip... and some where it is red. can anyone confirm?

25 January 2021, 02:50 AM	#50
salnuaimi "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Dubai Posts: 763	If this model doesn't sell . it will only confirm people wants a Daytona cause they cant get it

25 January 2021, 04:06 AM	#51
Pronto0322 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: USA Posts: 216	I may be in the minority on this but I love the subdials very Zenith and very cool. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5 February 2021, 07:48 AM	#58
Triumph_1200 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Midwest USA Watch: 126600 Posts: 69	I ordered the white dial. Wanted it the minute I saw it. I get that some see the Daytona homage, but I’ve never had any interest in the Rolex regardless of the price. For me, the zenith is the better looking and more interesting piece. I just hope the bracelet is ballpark with the oyster. Can’t go wrong with either.

7 February 2021, 08:14 AM	#60
Fort Rolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 586	I want to love it but I’ve now seen several videos where the 1/10 hand jumps back when the pusher is actioned.

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