The Tudor Black-Bay ancestor

[lhanddds]

That looks very nice, congrats

[Tudor Fan]

Wow. That s great. Good for you. Looks nice on the green strap!

[michel33]

Originally Posted by TAG_TOSSER

Movement, it's 25 rubies-



And after-

Awesome example of a watch with the correct serial number range of production and featuring a 25 jewels 2776 movement's watch that proves it has been sold within Europe, Switzerland, as the original papers show it.

This is the first example of such a watch I see that was sold in Europe, featuring a 25 jewels movement. Congrats.

This is definitely a rare (but still very affordable) bird, I have seen less than 10 of these 9401 round markers dial/snowflake hands for the last five years on the Internet.

I wrote to Tudor Geneva to ask some more info about my watch's history, and I received a letter that stated that, I quote, "for strict confidentially reasons, they were not willing to confirm or infirm if my watch,belonged to this special batch ordered by the Canadian Navy"

So I suppose that:

-They have the info and when they refer to "this special batch ordered by the Canadian Navy", it gives a clue....

What was a bit surprising is that the letter was signed by the Tudor CEO himself (!!!) (Philippe Peverelli), not only by a lower hierarchy executive of the consumer's service department.

That means someone did not want to take any risk and asked at the higher level if these kind of informations should be available for the Tudor's collectors and fans that we are... And the answer is surprinsigly a big NO, although brands like Omega, Patek or Breguet are not reluctant to provide vintage fans and collectors some extracts or their Archives that relate the entire history of their watches....



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[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by michel33

Awesome example of a watch with the correct serial number range of production and featuring a 25 jewels 2776 movement's watch that proves it has been sold within Europe, Switzerland, as the original papers show it.

This is the first example of such a watch I see that was sold in Europe, featuring a 25 jewels movement. Congrats.

This is definitely a rare (but still very affordable) bird, I have seen less than 10 of these 9401 round markers dial/snowflake hands for the last five years on the Internet.

I wrote to Tudor Geneva to ask some more info about my watch's history, and I received a letter that stated that, I quote, "for strict confidentially reasons, they were not willing to confirm or infirm if my watch,belonged to this special batch ordered by the Canadian Navy"

So I suppose that:

-They have the info and when they refer to "this special batch ordered by the Canadian Navy", it gives a clue....

What was a bit surprising is that the letter was signed by the Tudor CEO himself (!!!) (Philippe Peverelli), not only by a lower hierarchy executive of the consumer's service department.

That means someone did not want to take any risk and asked at the higher level if these kind of informations should be available for the Tudor's collectors and fans that we are... And the answer is surprinsigly a big NO, although brands like Omega, Patek or Breguet are not reluctant to provide vintage fans and collectors some extracts or their Archives that relate the entire history of their watches....



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Thank you so much for posting about the movement differences. I had no clue. Of course the government tried to get a cut! No surprises there. That is very interesting indeed- and your response from Tudor is pretty cryptic. Its pretty odd that they keep that sort of thing under wraps when its common to have Navy Seals spill all the beans in a book just years later!
I do think from your posting and others I've seen that a batch was produced for the Canadian military. I know the old story about how they wanted hands that were more readable or something so they opted for snowflake handset. Maybe the whole batch was made exclusively for them?? And mine, from Europe and maybe others were the result of them not fulfilling a full order.... who knows. Very interesting. I would love to know the exact roots of mine. I bought it from a jewelry store that specializes in trade-ins.

PS- Id love to have one of those Tudor books but I've only seen them for sale for around $500. Do these get sold on the forum or somewhere else for a better price?
thanks!

[michel33]

Originally Posted by TAG_TOSSER

PS- Id love to have one of those Tudor books but I've only seen them for sale for around $500. Do these get sold on the forum or somewhere else for a better price?
thanks!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tudor-Watche...item3f2a9b92b9

[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by michel33

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tudor-Watche...item3f2a9b92b9

Awesome, thank you!

[Blue Lantern]

Originally Posted by TAG_TOSSER

Movement, it's 25 rubies-

Thanks so much for posting this--my 94010 has this same movement, but I rarely see it documented. Here's mine (with luminova replacement hands):



And a much-less-pretty shot of the movement, before I had it serviced:

[Spectre007]

Originally Posted by TAG_TOSSER

Hello guys, I'm going to update this thread about round marker snowflake subs and add mine to your count.
It has the same serial number range as mine is 887XXX.
I found a beautiful example that needed little repair. I sent it to Mr Dominique Wieland for an overhaul. The only things that got replaced were the crystal, crown and tube. I left the case unpolished. I also have the original box, receipt and warranty document.
I am very happy with this and it's by far my favorite Snowflake sub I've owned. And so far it's +3 seconds/7 days since serviced.

Before service-


That looks great!

Movement, it's 25 rubies-



And after-

That looks really great!

[jdmi32]

That's a beauty, Ben.

[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by jdmi32

That's a beauty, Ben.

Originally Posted by lhanddds

That looks very nice, congrats

Thanks for the kind words guys. I am very happy with this piece and I know that I am extremely lucky to find the whole set together in its original beauty

Originally Posted by Tudor Fan

Wow. That s great. Good for you. Looks nice on the green strap!

Yes, the OD green Gnomon strap is what I wear with it most of the time, the second being the "Blue Bond" strap from the same site. They look and feel great.

[Beef]

Amazing pictures and info! Thanks for posting!

[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by Beef

Amazing pictures and info! Thanks for posting!

[ncstate1201]

woah those are some of my favorite subs I ever seen, love the bezel on the OP's Tudor.

[jasebird]

Beautiful watch, I'm sure it could tell some great stories!!!

[Dalton]

I'm in love with that hand dial combo. I bought a black bay to keep my watch fever on check, but I need one of these too!

[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by Dalton

I'm in love with that hand dial combo. I bought a black bay to keep my watch fever on check, but I need one of these too!

Yes, grab one if you can find it and don't look back!

[enatz]

Great info and watch! Thanks for sharing


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[michel33]

You should source some Snowflake hands, so the watch will be in its original configuration.

[Blue Lantern]

Originally Posted by michel33

You should source some Snowflake hands, so the watch will be in its original configuration.

Maybe someday! Though I like how it looks with the mercedes hands.

[Nycturbovr6]

Very nice! What a beauty

[ROGERB]

Wow! Canadian navy reference is interesting. Here is a pic of a "decommissioned " cdn navy sub


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[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by ROGERB

Wow! Canadian navy reference is interesting. Here is a pic of a "decommissioned " cdn navy sub


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Is this yours>?

[JimSnyder]

Maybe one of the best Tudor Sub posts in TRF history. Thank you, great read

[jatco]

/\ .. Great Sub...and love its history...

[CrownMe]

somebody just scored one of these beautys on Ebay. if only it was for sale in the US

[SAAS]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

somebody just scored one of these beautys on Ebay. if only it was for sale in the US

Guilty

to be continued....

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by SAAS

Guilty

to be continued....

Lucky man. That's a great watch.

[SAAS]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

Lucky man. That's a great watch.

Thank you! Adding to the lore the sellers ebay store was only selling Canadian military paraphernalia.

[jatco]

....Sweeet :thumpsup

[SAAS]

Received today, totally thrilled all looks good 887xxx serial!